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  • Bertfish

    Throw bread on me
    Mar 13, 2013
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    White Marsh, MD
    As said before, those that are pushing for this are nothing but tyrants. Who are they to add even more obstacles for instructors, which surely will trickle down to HGP permit applicants.
    You're right of course

    But it's important we now differentiate solidly between Atlantic and a private citizen who happens to be associated with them
     

    Bertfish

    Throw bread on me
    Mar 13, 2013
    17,716
    White Marsh, MD
    No excuses.
    If I say I have a letter or want to double down on it.
    I’m going to post a letter, not run my mouth about what I got.
    Let it go. He used the word letter. He meant email. Frustration should be directed at the Senator for conjuring the association to life and for the individual for having an opinion that would hose us all.
     

    welder516

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    Jun 8, 2013
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    No excuses.
    If I say I have a letter or want to double down on it.
    I’m going to post a letter, not run my mouth about what I got.
    Yep, i posted a complete letter with letterhead and names and signatures/stamped with my name and my company name because it was the right thing to do. To give the entire picture.

    Lots of times we are whipped into a frenzy and find out it is not as bad, and sometimes worse.
     

    Doco Overboard

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    My guess there is a letter, it may not be a letter from a gun business. Maybe just a private citizen sent a letter to the Sen. and the Sen. ran it up the flagpole.
    Maybe it is this Tim Otwell guy maybe not
    I agree.
    This is what happens when you get a bunch of senators and rights trainers speaking for everyone.
    A load of nonsense that cannot be relied upon.
    The letter was posted it just wasnt to your liking.
    Where I come from, letters are addressed to people.
    They have a sender and a recipient.
    .
     

    welder516

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    Jun 8, 2013
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    Let it go. He used the word letter. He meant email. Frustration should be directed at the Senator for conjuring the association to life and for the individual for having an opinion that would hose us all.
    The guy that presented the letter/email sure had clout with the Sen. to suck him in to the infringement arena
     

    Doco Overboard

    Ultimate Member
    Let it go. He used the word letter. He meant email. Frustration should be directed at the Senator for conjuring the association to life and for the individual for having an opinion that would hose us all.
    Signal 7 I get it.
    But if I say I have something, that means I have it.
    Not a peanut gallery of nonsense and double talk and wait for it……excuses.
    The guy that presented the letter/email sure had clout with the Sen. to suck him in to the infringement arena

    That’s why I mentioned CQD earlier.
    Evidently that’s not the case probably because if it was, a whole lot of know it alls just got their ass handed to them.
    Some other blowhard from Rockville operating out in western Md. yeah he’s got everyone’s best interest in mind and the checks in the mail.
    Right?
    No not really because we know what happens when everyone assumes anything.
     

    tjv4163

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    Jun 27, 2012
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    21234 city side
    I agree.
    This is what happens when you get a bunch of senators and rights trainers speaking for everyone.
    A load of nonsense that cannot be relied upon.

    Where I come from, letters are addressed to people.
    They have a sender and a recipient.
    .
    WOW.... youre really trying to defend someone who want to make it harder for people to carry. The "letter" the email what every you want to call it is legit. It was verified by his business partner, from what his partner said he did it on his own not as the business partner.. what I find odd is the guy Tim doesnt even come up as a Maryland instructor... so someone who cant legally teach Maryland classes wants Md instructors to take a class the his business teaches...
     

    dblas

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    Apr 6, 2011
    13,123
    I agree.
    This is what happens when you get a bunch of senators and rights trainers speaking for everyone.
    A load of nonsense that cannot be relied upon.

    Where I come from, letters are addressed to people.
    They have a sender and a recipient.
    .
    And when I worked in a Delegate's Office, we removed the address from any e-mails we sent to others. It is common practice in Annapolis.
     

    welder516

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    Jun 8, 2013
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    Yeah I can imagine being a politician and putting forth legislation on behalf of a single letter received to my office
    That's why i said the guy had some major juice or credentials to garner the attention of a Senator. When i reached out to a Sen. i called some friends of mine to make a call ahead of time so when i called i got the attention i needed. (fire dept. crap)

    The Senator's office was very receptive and sent a letter on my behalf.
     

    babalou

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    Aug 12, 2013
    16,232
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    As said before, those that are pushing for this are nothing but tyrants. Who are they to add even more obstacles for instructors, which surely will trickle down to HGP permit applicants.
    bingo. where are all the 1st amendment training classes? Never seen such a bunch cucking funts trying to take our higher power right away. They can eat a bag of Deez
     

    Doco Overboard

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    WOW.... youre really trying to defend someone who want to make it harder for people to carry. The "letter" the email what every you want to call it is legit. It was verified by his business partner, from what his partner said he did it on his own not as the business partner.. what I find odd is the guy Tim doesnt even come up as a Maryland instructor... so someone who cant legally teach Maryland classes wants Md instructors to take a class the his business teaches...
    No, I think you’re making mental gymnastics and wasting your time.
    Who the hell are you anyway that you think what you say matters?
    I care so much about who trains who that I don’t even have a permit. You know so much and people like yourself are the reason why.
    Go check some people for bulges in their shirt or something and make a difference for yourself.
     

    1time

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    Apr 26, 2009
    2,294
    Baltimore, Md
    Let me understand this. The person who authored the Suggestions works for or is part owner of Atlantic Tactical. A politician asked for this guys Suggestions, probably not as a private citizen but as a instructor at Atlantic Tactical. The guy then writes a letter with Our Suggestions are.. but the owner of AT says he doesn't represent AT??

    He represents your business. You may not have authorized him to represent your business but he most certainly does. In my view that is why he was asked and why he stated Our suggestion, not my suggestions

    Then Kenpo doesn't even say he disagrees with it and defends that it was done with Public Safety in mind? It gives the appearance of speaking on behalf of AT and Kenpo's response gives the appearance that he at least doesn't disagree with it.
     
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    Sundazes

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    Nov 13, 2006
    21,833
    Arkham
    Let me understand this. The person who authored the Suggestions works for or is part owner of Atlantic Tactical. A politician asked for this guys Suggestions, probably not as a private citizen but as a instructor at Atlantic Tactical. The guy then rights a letter with Our Suggestions are.. but the owner of AT says he doesn't represent AT??

    He represents your business. You may not have authorized him to represent your business but he most certainly does. In my view that is why he was asked and why he stated Our suggestion, not my suggestions

    Then Kenpo doesn't even say he disagrees with it and defends that it was done with Public Safety in mind? It gives the appearance of speaking on behalf of AT and Kenpo's response gives the appearance that he at least doesn't disagree with it.
    :thumbsup:
    Exactly was I was thinking.
     

    Bertfish

    Throw bread on me
    Mar 13, 2013
    17,716
    White Marsh, MD
    Let me understand this. The person who authored the Suggestions works for or is part owner of Atlantic Tactical. A politician asked for this guys Suggestions, probably not as a private citizen but as a instructor at Atlantic Tactical. The guy then writes a letter with Our Suggestions are.. but the owner of AT says he doesn't represent AT??

    He represents your business. You may not have authorized him to represent your business but he most certainly does. In my view that is why he was asked and why he stated Our suggestion, not my suggestions

    Then Kenpo doesn't even say he disagrees with it and defends that it was done with Public Safety in mind? It gives the appearance of speaking on behalf of AT and Kenpo's response gives the appearance that he at least doesn't disagree with it.
    People speak in areas they know or are employed in regularly without speaking for their employer. Not so unusual to me at least.
     

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