MD Residents at Delaware Ranges with Semi-Automatics?

BlackInjun · Jul 8, 2022

Surf said:
Look at line 151 of the bill (pertains to rifles).

https://legis.delaware.gov/json/BillDetail/GetPdfDocument?fileAttachmentId=572042

151 (6) “Detachable magazine” means an ammunition feeding device that can be removed readily from a firearm
152 without requiring disassembly of the firearm action or without the use of a tool, including a bullet or cartridge.

This does not "pertain to rifles" it is a description of a Detachable magazine for firearms, all firearms.

If you are going to use this description to make the leap to say, no rifles with detachable magazines (even not on the banned/copycat list) are allowed, then you are also saying no handguns with detachable magazines are allowed.

So why are they limiting magazines to under 18 rounds if you can't use any firearm that accepts a detachable magazine?

clandestine · Jul 8, 2022

Imagine trying to argue all of this with a DSP Trooper on the side of the road. Even FFL's can't make sense of the law right now.

Enter DE with semi autos at your own risk. That's all there is to it right now.

Lmo · Jul 8, 2022

I think everyone agrees that this law was hastily written with no coherent examination of the provisions.

Many contradict each other and are ambiguous at best.

A prime example is that, with a certificate of possession, you are allowed to take your "assault weapon" to the range and back to your home after use.

HOWEVER, what if that range is out of state? BECAUSE, another provision FLATLY STATES that you cannot transport an "assault weapon" into the state.

WOULD YOU BE COMMITTING A FELONY TRANSPORTING IT BACK TO YOUR HOME FROM OUT OF STATE OR NOT?

Clump · Jul 8, 2022

Lmo said:
I think everyone agrees that this law was hastily written with no coherent examination of the provisions.

Many contradict each other and are ambiguous at best.

A prime example is that, with a certificate of possession, you are allowed to take your "assault weapon" to the range and back to your home after use.

HOWEVER, what if that range is out of state? BECAUSE, another provision FLATLY STATES that you cannot transport an "assault weapon" into the state.

WOULD YOU BE COMMITTING A FELONY TRANSPORTING IT BACK TO YOUR HOME FROM OUT OF STATE OR NOT?

That's the way I read it, which REALLY SUCKS because I have a great place to shoot in PA. This bag of crap can't get to court fast enough! Please donate to DSSA today.

Surf · Jul 8, 2022

Line 150 involves rifles.
Line 152 involves bullet buttons (I have only heard of them ever being on a rifle). If anyone has seen a bullet button feature on a pistol please enlighten me.
I have heard DE State Legislators on the local radio station and the have mentioned that the magazine fed restrictions apply to rifles and not pistols.
So interpret line 151 as you will at your own peril.

BlackInjun · Jul 8, 2022

Surf said:
Line 150 involves rifles.
Line 152 involves bullet buttons (I have only heard of them ever being on a rifle). If anyone has seen a bullet button feature on a pistol please enlighten me.
I have heard DE State Legislators on the local radio station and the have mentioned that the magazine fed restrictions apply to rifles and not pistols.
So interpret line 151 as you will at your own peril.

Seems like you might just be trolling so I am prolly done.

150 h. A semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine that can accept more than 17 rounds. Thats the last line in the copycat section describing copycats of barred weapon list.

151-162 are definitions not declarations. Detachable magazine, Family, Flash Suppressor, Qualified retired law enforcement individual, shooting range.

Sensationalism and riling people up by stating without qualification what the law absolutely means is not helpful, especially when you imply they are dumb and only you can read and understand it

SURF:
What are you guys not getting?
Per Bridgville Rifle and Pistol Club: NO Semi Automatic Rifles that take a detachable magazine is to be sold in DE. DE detachable magazine fed rifles must stay in Delaware! If they leave they can not come back!
This means no out state detachable magazine rifles!
No Remington 7400, no HBAR’s, no Winchester model of 1907, no 10/22’s.

SURF:

Well I guess somebody (MAC) thinks their HBAR doesn’t have a detachable magazine! That thing must be something special!
DE has decided that any semi automatic rifle with a detachable magazine is the same as any other black rifle.
Even if it is a 100 year old wood stocked .22 with a detachable magazine.

What Clandestine wrote above is the sensible approach to things, not trying to tell everyone what they can and can't do anymore when you did not write the law

"Imagine trying to argue all of this with a DSP Trooper on the side of the road. Even FFL's can't make sense of the law right now.

Enter DE with semi autos at your own risk. That's all there is to it right now."

Surf · Jul 8, 2022

So time for a belt fed semi automatic?

johnsopi · Jul 9, 2022

Have not seen much on Delaware online about the new gun laws. Looked yesterday they seem to not reporting it.

DEVE · Jul 9, 2022

clandestine said:
Imagine trying to argue all of this with a DSP Trooper on the side of the road. Even FFL's can't make sense of the law right now.

Enter DE with semi autos at your own risk. That's all there is to it right now.

Better yet, just avoid DE if at all possible.
I’m waiting to see what DSSA does (other than ask for more money).

Lmo · Jul 9, 2022

johnsopi said:
Have not seen much on Delaware online about the new gun laws. Looked yesterday they seem to not reporting it.

You have to read HB 450 in its entirety to grasp the provisions of the bill.

wb3jma · Jul 9, 2022

This is not gun related but should give you some idea of DE mindset when making laws. I used to work over the border in DE. I had a car accident which required my car be towed(it was raining). I caused no damage to anyone or anything but my own property. Was cited by DE Trooper for something like negligible driving adding insult to injury.

johnsopi · Jul 10, 2022

My point was the Delaware News Journal has not reported much about these bills. After rereading Delaware Large-Capacity Magazine Prohibition Act of 2022 It looks like in 60days from signing buying, selling and transporting an 18+ round mags in DE is a class E felony. They have $45,000 to buy back all 18+ mags at 10 bucks each.
This Act would require a resident of this State who possesses a large-capacity magazine, no later than June 30, 2023, to relinquish the large-capacity magazine to a law enforcement agency of this State.

303_enfield · Jul 10, 2022

Surf said:
Line 150 involves rifles.
Line 152 involves bullet buttons (I have only heard of them ever being on a rifle). If anyone has seen a bullet button feature on a pistol please enlighten me.
I have heard DE State Legislators on the local radio station and the have mentioned that the magazine fed restrictions apply to rifles and not pistols.
So interpret line 151 as you will at your own peril.

Bullet buttons work well on AR pistols. "But" the 17-round magazine is a ##ich. New sales of AR and AK pistols are legal, rifles not so much.

Surf · Jul 11, 2022

Any pistols with a magazine well outside of the grip was also made illegal this past session. So AR, AK, Tec -9, MP5 based pistols are banned. This new law also made the Mauser Broomhandle illegal to take into Delaware.

ICW2019 · Jul 14, 2022

So Delawarians are criminals after June 30 if they don't relinquish their mags?

adit · Jul 14, 2022

Durangedmikey said:
So Delawarians are criminals after June 30 if they don't relinquish their mags?

August 29th.

ICW2019 · Jul 14, 2022

adit said:
August 29th

Ah yes I see 60 days after now. The carve out for ccw holders is a weird one as well.

Surf · Jul 15, 2022

ICW2019 said:
Ah yes I see 60 days after now. The carve out for ccw holders is a weird one as well.

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rickyp · Sep 7, 2022

What about the federal transportation laws? If one is traveling through the state with a prohibited gun they cant touch you as long as the weapon is Legal from the start point and the destination and it is in a locked case and ammo is separate from the gun.

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