SB1 (2023) - Criminal Law - Wearing, Carrying, or Transporting Firearms - Restrictions (Gun Safety Act of 2023)

[Doco Overboard]

No one is saying you can't prevent someone from carrying in your home. We are just saying it should be your decision to do that for your own home not someone else's or the government's.

Thanks for the thoughtful reply but I'm not really interested in what we says. And what I'm about to express is not directed at you as an individual.

I cant imagine an intelligent, responsible, personally accountable grown man that wants to sneak a weapon up on anyone in their own home instead of just making a simple initial communication they're armed. Anyone that thinks or really just feels thats prohibiting to what some ass clown from the state house compels one to do and wants to carry their water on the governments behalf, has already lost.

Otherwise, I'm not worried too much any longer for how some SB1 mental contortionist feels like what I need to think or act to calm they're nerves or for how to pave their way to constitutional shambammabush.

 

[Epiphany]

I read that like 5 times and it’s still nonsense…

I don’t get it - if you never know the person is armed, what’s the difference?

It’s not sneaking it if your intent isn’t nefarious - it’s just how you “carry” yourself every day… ”Sneaking” implies intent. Certainly the shoe on the other foot you’d feel your rights were being infringed.

 

[jc1240]

I read that like 5 times and it’s still nonsense…

I don’t get it - if you never know the person is armed, what’s the difference?

It’s not sneaking it if your intent isn’t nefarious - it’s just how you “carry” yourself every day… ”Sneaking” implies intent. Certainly the shoe on the other foot you’d feel your rights were being infringed.

I agree. No different than "sneaking" a sharp, pointy knife that is an EDC.

 

[Blacksmith101]

It’s specific, it’s not vague, they can add they can clarify, but they cannot contradict what is specifically written in the act

Except when they add things like the live fire requirement to the HQL permit process which was not in the act.

 

[Mark75H]

Except when they add things like the live fire requirement to the HQL permit process which was not in the act.

Was not explict in the text. Home daycare IS explict in the text. There is a difference.

 

[rbird7282]

I read that like 5 times and it’s still nonsense…

I don’t get it - if you never know the person is armed, what’s the difference?

It’s not sneaking it if your intent isn’t nefarious - it’s just how you “carry” yourself every day… ”Sneaking” implies intent. Certainly the shoe on the other foot you’d feel your rights were being infringed.

Yep


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[gforce]

We need a batch of young Heller wannabees. Get busted for an essentially unConstitutional law, get it to SCOTUS, and immortalize your name in history for as long as this nation still stands.

If Smith is correct, there's pretty much zip to justify anti-gun legislation written after 1866.
Hell's bells, there were privately owned and armed warships with letters of marque that had governmental permission to go forth and seize enemy shipping for private profit. If you can own a frigate, a machine gun is small beer. We have some fine traditions . . .

Eventually, most of the nation's restrictive gun laws will go away. IMO, the sooner, the better.

Maryland could do a booming buisness in frigates. Imagine the business and tax revenue privately held warship companies could bring to our coastal state.

Maybe if we all pooled our duckets we could come up with the down payment on a constellation class guided missile frigate.

 

[Bob A]

Maryland could do a booming buisness in frigates. Imagine the business and tax revenue privately held warship companies could bring to our coastal state.

Maybe if we all pooled our duckets we could come up with the down payment on a constellation class guided missile frigate.

It's only a worthwhile endeavor if we can get letters of marque. Also, there's probably little salvage value in anything successfully attacked by a guided missile frigate.

State-sanctioned piracy must needs be supported by taking prizes. If simple destruction and death is the desired outcome, stick with the military; that's their job.

 

[Bertfish]

CG Yard is right there and always has surplus vessels. Could buy something I'd bet. There's a decomm'd 210 there now...

 

[44man]

I have thought about this my whole adult life

Is gun control, like sb1 and the Montgomery county bill, prompted by complete irrational fear of guns? Or , what I actually think, is it about one group wanting complete control and an unarmed populace is easy to control? Or do these folks actually think people are safer when there are no guns?

Where I was raised everyone was armed pretty much all the time so I figured it was normal so I have little to no fear of being around armed people and I think everyone is armed all the time even though I now know better.

I also think about people talking about people carrying at work. What difference does it make?

On a construction site everyone has a hammer or screwdriver or masons trowel or something that any one of them could very easily hurt or kill someone if they wanted.

Hell, anyone getting gas at a gas station could easily enough make a hell of a mess with the gas nasel and a box lighter.

It’s decency and civility and a person’s morals that keep us from killing each other, IMO.

That’s just some stuff rattling around in my head

 

[teratos]

I have thought about this my whole adult life

Is gun control, like sb1 and the Montgomery county bill, prompted by complete irrational fear of guns? Or , what I actually think, is it about one group wanting complete control and an unarmed populace is easy to control? Or do these folks actually think people are safer when there are no guns?

Where I was raised everyone was armed pretty much all the time so I figured it was normal so I have little to no fear of being around armed people and I think everyone is armed all the time even though I now know better.

I also think about people talking about people carrying at work. What difference does it make?

On a construction site everyone has a hammer or screwdriver or masons trowel or something that any one of them could very easily hurt or kill someone if they wanted.

Hell, anyone getting gas at a gas station could easily enough make a hell of a mess with the gas nasel and a box lighter.

It’s decency and civility and a person’s morals that keep us from killing each other, IMO.

That’s just some stuff rattling around in my head

They are in denial about what heinous creatures many people are and the senseless violence those creatures are willing to perpetrate on their fellow man.

 

[DealeBill]

CG Yard is right there and always has surplus vessels. Could buy something I'd bet. There's a decomm'd 210 there now...

210s ride like corks and no one knows how to fix the air clutches anymore...

 

[DealeBill]

They are in denial about what heinous creatures many people are and the senseless violence those creatures are willing to perpetrate on their fellow man.

They are also in denial that humans will use anything available. I lived in the Dominican Republic and watched people fight with machetes since it was all they had. I find most generally want the same thing--safety for our children. They just have very different, unworkable, and totally irrational ways to get to the goal.

 

[Bertfish]

210s ride like corks and no one knows how to fix the air clutches anymore...

Did you sail on one? If so which and when? They did an engine swap years and years ago unsure if the air clutches are still a thing

 

[44man]

They are in denial about what heinous creatures many people are and the senseless violence those creatures are willing to perpetrate on their fellow man.

Yep

I know and have known people that I do not turn my back on, ever. I prefer not to be inside with them so I make a point to keep away from them.

There are people who are worse than animals.

But because I know those people it doesn’t make me scared of everyone nor does it make me believe everyone should be disarmed because other people are worse than animals.

It’s the irrational fear of guns that I don’t understand. I guess that’s what it is.

I mean a man can get 20 gallons of gas or alcohol and dump it around someone’s house or under the door of their office or into a store and do a horrible thing. So why aren’t the hoplophobes scared of that?

I am doing to much thinking this morning

 

[DealeBill]

Did you sail on one? If so which and when? They did an engine swap years and years ago unsure if the air clutches are still a thing

Sailed on ones 5 feet shorter that rode a whole lot better. 23 years of service. Just collecting the checks... They did change the air clutches. It was a great platform.

 

[Harrys]

210s ride like corks and no one knows how to fix the air clutches anymore...

I was stationed on the CGC Active back in the day and yes, they are a cork in the water. The biggest issues we had was clutching in the gas turbines with the diesel engines. We use to adjust the air clutches all the time. The biggest problem in adjusting the clutches was the pneumatic actuator's speed and distance. In today's world adding a pneumatic adjustable transducer between the actuator and the supply air will resolve any issues and make the adjustments very simple.

 

[Apd09]

Yep

I know and have known people that I do not turn my back on, ever. I prefer not to be inside with them so I make a point to keep away from them.

There are people who are worse than animals.

But because I know those people it doesn’t make me scared of everyone nor does it make me believe everyone should be disarmed because other people are worse than animals.

It’s the irrational fear of guns that I don’t understand. I guess that’s what it is.

I mean a man can get 20 gallons of gas or alcohol and dump it around someone’s house or under the door of their office or into a store and do a horrible thing. So why aren’t the hoplophobes scared of that?

I am doing to much thinking this morning

It’s guns because of gun violence. Major cities are unsafe. Kids in school are unsafe. Elderly in the grocery store are unsafe. People at a concert are unsafe.

It’s easier to put your head in the sand and say it’s guns than to address poverty in the city, hatred from a community for orientation, mental health problems, domestic terrorism, racism, etc…

There’s an old adage, if you tell a lie long enough you start to believe it’s the truth.


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[Bertfish]

I was stationed on the CGC Active back in the day and yes, they are a cork in the water. The biggest issues we had was clutching in the gas turbines with the diesel engines. We use to adjust the air clutches all the time. The biggest problem in adjusting the clutches was the pneumatic actuator's speed and distance. In today's world adding a pneumatic adjustable transducer between the actuator and the supply air will resolve any issues and make the adjustments very simple.

I'm sure you know the turbines and Paxmans are long gone

Alco 16V 251s now

 

[scottyfz6]

I also think about people talking about people carrying at work. What difference does it make?

On a construction site everyone has a hammer or screwdriver or masons trowel or something that any one of them could very easily hurt or kill someone if they wanted.

I am on a job site in Baltimore 2 or 3 days a week for an hour or two. I carry every day, my foreman carries when he leaves the job, and has a lock box in his gang box that I provided for it. The GC also carries daily.

No one has been shot on the job yet, and almost no one knows we carry.