AGC Falling steel

[gmharle]

Plenty of other shooting sports have divisions with round limits at 10 and under. IDPA only recently went to 15 with SSP, and is still 6 (BUG, REVO), 8 (CDP), and 10 (CCP/ESP/CO) for the other divisions. USPSA Production (and Limited 10) is 10, and revolver and Single Stack are 8. SASP has a ten round limit.

I think the ten round limits test reloading and stage planning skills, and otherwise make for a tougher match. I shoot revo from time to time, and reloading every 6 or 8 rounds really makes you think harder, and test yourself more. Just standing there and blasting isn't proving much, and I say that as someone who's pretty good at stand-and-deliver.

ETA: these changes were designed to mitigate against what people like me did: buy a nice 2011, slap a 170mm magazine in it, and have a huge advantage against people shooting normal guns.

Let me start by saying that I don’t disagree with you that thinking and stage planning are very important when they matter. What kind of plan are you coming up with to shoot 3 plate racks and a couple poppers while standing in the same box?

You made my point in your first sentence. These other shooting sports have divisions that you can choose if you want to limit to 10 rounds. Not a blanket across the board mandate for all center fire handgun divisions.

Everyone already has a mandatory reload because of the first mag 10 round limit anyway. Hell why not double everyone’s practice and only allow 5 rounds? It is for their own good.

 

[erwos]

Hope that’s not what spurred this on. When you start changing rules because you’re getting beat that’s a sad situation. There’s a reason for the multiple categories. So I can shoot my ( insert any firearm) and compare myself to others in that category.

The guy who mades these changes shoots a 2011, too. You are missing the overall point about competitive equity: this levels the playing field on mag capacity and makes it more about shooter skill.

Let me start by saying that I don’t disagree with you that thinking and stage planning are very important when they matter. What kind of plan are you coming up with to shoot 3 plate racks and a couple poppers while standing in the same box?

The Falling Steel matches often have some movement involved these days. Like I said, I do think the stages need a little more thinking in spots.

You made my point in your first sentence. These other shooting sports have divisions that you can choose if you want to limit to 10 rounds. Not a blanket across the board mandate for all center fire handgun divisions.

It is in IDPA (mostly) and SASP. I'm sorry that you don't understand the point I was making that a ten round mag cap is not that unusual, and hardly some sort of huge punishment.

Everyone already has a mandatory reload because of the first mag 10 round limit anyway. Hell why not double everyone’s practice and only allow 5 rounds? It is for their own good.

10rds is good because you can get through a 30-35rd stage with 3 mags on the belt and 1 in the gun. Five rounds would not be workable for Falling Steel. Speaking as a guy who shoots 6-shot IDPA revo (and has done it in USPSA), I'd be happy to take the challenge, though.

 

[rbird7282]

Plenty of other shooting sports have divisions with round limits at 10 and under. IDPA only recently went to 15 with SSP, and is still 6 (BUG, REVO), 8 (CDP), and 10 (CCP/ESP/CO) for the other divisions. USPSA Production (and Limited 10) is 10, and revolver and Single Stack are 8. SASP has a ten round limit.

I think the ten round limits test reloading and stage planning skills, and otherwise make for a tougher match. I shoot revo from time to time, and reloading every 6 or 8 rounds really makes you think harder, and test yourself more. Just standing there and blasting isn't proving much, and I say that as someone who's pretty good at stand-and-deliver.

ETA: these changes were designed to mitigate against what people like me did: buy a nice 2011, slap a 170mm magazine in it, and have a huge advantage against people shooting normal guns.

Except that the way the falling steel matches are set up there isn’t too much stage planning (a little) to be done. USPSA is far different (and AGC isn’t doing it now, at least not for a while) and does require much more planning.
Besides, who really cares if someone has a 21 round magazine? There’s no money or prizes and it’s not a sanctioned match.
I’m not winning a division anyway.
I think it will be a turn off for new shooters who may not have enough mags and really want to focus on the shooting portion.
We had 5 or 6 people in my squad switch to the fun division.
The whole change seems pointless to me.


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[RRomig]

The guy who mades these changes shoots a 2011, too. You are missing the overall point about competitive equity: this levels the playing field on mag capacity and makes it more about shooter skill.

Not missing your point. Just don’t agree with you. You compete in different categories. So there is no need for the blanket rule. Plenty of people with a single stack can kick the snot out out many double stack shooters. But categories exist to sort apples to apples and basketballs to basketballs. Hell there’s a rifle category! I go for fun and I’m not going to win shyt so at the end of the day as I started my first post. Their match their rules but I don’t get the change.

 

[Squaregrouper]

Except that the way the falling steel matches are set up there isn’t too much stage planning (a little) to be done. USPSA is far different (and AGC isn’t doing it now, at least not for a while) and does require much more planning.
Besides, who really cares if someone has a 21 round magazine? There’s no money or prizes and it’s not a sanctioned match.
I’m not winning a division anyway.
I think it will be a turn off for new shooters who may not have enough mags and really want to focus on the shooting portion.
We had 5 or 6 people in my squad switch to the fun division.
The whole change seems pointless to me.


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This.
When my right arm (hopefully) returns to semi normal, I will be shooting the fun division. FWIW- I haven't been able to shoot a pistol for the past 3 months

 

[RRomig]

This.
When my right arm (hopefully) returns to semi normal, I will be shooting the fun division. FWIW- I haven't been able to shoot a pistol for the past 3 months

I feel for you. My right side got jacked and it’s permanent. I’ve been able to shoot most of the time but there are days it’s not worth the ammo. Not that I was ever good but I do miss my normal. Just come out and have some fun!

 

[boss281]

Not sure how many shooters at AGC are part of the SC shooting circuit. It should be a division if people want to limit to 10 rounds. It falls right in line and justifies the “no one needs more than 10 rounds” argument.
I still really enjoy the match and will just keep shooting the fun division.

Actually, the fun division sounds more interesting without the 10rd limit. I'm going to see if I can modify my division. I have a Sig p365 x-macro tacops which is moving into compact territory anyhow, not really one of the subs...

EDIT: done.