PTP gets pulled over

[Hibs]

So here's a legit question, or at least to me it seems like a legit question:

I own many handguns that did not originate in Maryland and to my knowledge are not entered into any system anywhere. Those would still be perfectly legal for me to carry, but if they run the serial number, they aren't going to get anything back. What then?

Aren't all handguns considered regulated firearms and need to be registered?

There is exceptions though. I myself have an exception. Mine aren't registered nor do they need to be. I'll let MSP deal with it and take em to court for ensuing shenanigans if needed.

 

[Mark75H]

Aren't all handguns considered regulated firearms and need to be registered?

There is exceptions though. I myself have an exception. Mine aren't registered nor do they need to be. I'll let MSP deal with it and take em to court for ensuing shenanigans if needed.

There is no registry other than voluntary by people who move to MD. 77r is a record of purchase, not a registry

 

[outrider58]

thats how its supposed to be. But disarming and running S/Ns is a no no

That's like asking for a receipt for your wedding ring to prove it wasn't stolen.

 

[brianns]

Are they checking some registration or just from the list of firearms reported as stolen to make sure they have not happened upon one of those?

 

[Bob A]

So if you display your permit, the officers can not search under 4-206, but can still do a limited search to determine if violations of 4-203 may be present?

I posted 4-203 above; it doesn't deal with search.this is what it prohibits:

a) Prohibited.-

(1) Except as provided in subsection (b) of this section, a person may not:

(i) wear, carry, or transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, on or about the person;
(ii) wear, carry, or knowingly transport a handgun, whether concealed or open, in a vehicle traveling on a road or parking lot generally used by the public, highway, waterway, or airway of the State;
(iii) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph while on public school property in the State; or
(iv) violate item (i) or (ii) of this paragraph with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person.

Subsection (b) Exceptions; This section does not prohibit

(2) the wearing, carrying, or transporting of a handgun by a person to whom a permit to wear, carry, or transport the handgun has been issued under Title 5, Subtitle 3 of the Public Safety Article;

Until they can demonstrate that they can determine your intentions before the fact, and prove to the court hat you're carrying "with the deliberate purpose of injuring or killing another person," and you're not on school property, you're not in violation of 4-203.

Or so it seems to me.

Of course, silence=violence, in what passes for the minds of Marylanders.

So I assume that they can assume your intentions, whether or not the 5th Amendment applies. Assumption of intent is not yet codified into Maryland's laws, but since everyone apparently assumes that assumptions can be assumed will ye or nil ye, it's reasonable to assume that you're screwed in the minds of a jury of your peers.

 

[pbharvey]

Please contact Maryland Gun Center prior to any law enforcement action

 

[Zaicran]

ypu must have probable cause to believe its stolen under 4-206.

Production of a permit negates further search under 4-206

Now I know...thanks!

 

[Blaster229]

A traffic stop over 20 minutes. Insane. "I'm gonna have you step out of the vehicle because of the gun, you know." Nope, I'm not. There's no reason for me to get out.
Was this a stop for speeding?

 

[brianns]

So without probable cause for 4-206 then there would be no reason to look up any serial numbers. So does that mean the disarmament during the stop is just as a courtesy bestowed upon the officers by the driver?

Years ago I would hear people talking about (during a stop) telling officers that you have a permit and you are armed was supposed to be the courtesy given by the driver and the officers were supposed to let you be unless more obvious cause was present for whatever reason.

 

[Hibs]

A traffic stop over 20 minutes. Insane. "I'm gonna have you step out of the vehicle because of the gun, you know." Nope, I'm not. There's no reason for me to get out.
Was this a stop for speeding?

Never stated. But if you listen to the troopers bullsh!t in their cruiser, you hear a mention of him being clocked at 74. Then the senior trooper was stating something about recalling the speed on the radar gun, in the case of an extended stop, because it's easy to forget when you're in situations especially like this.

Also agree, the whole thing is complete bs.

 

[outrider58]

This from another thread dealing with the same topic, re; MoCo police stance on stopping someone with a carry permit.

Interesting Talk to with Moco police officer today about country directives w/ ccw

Ok more info than the title, today I had a conversation with a monkey county cop about directives given to them about carry permits/guns. The directive came out via email when bruen first happened. There has been no updates to the directive after the new law went into effect in county. The...

www.mdshooters.com

The directives are if someone is found with a firearm:

-If they have a permit they are supposed to run the gun thru the MSP gun center to confirm the gun is registered to that person ( made it sound like they dont really have to ). Then tell them to have a nice day
-If the person has the gun and no permit and the gun is on them. Run them and the gun thru the Msp gun center. If they are not prohibited and the gun is registered to them, tell them to have a nice day. aka no arresting someone carrying with no permit if they and the gun are legal, he was very surprised by that. ( does not mean do it )
-If the person is prohibited or a ghost gun then they get arrested.
He was asked what to do about carrying a gun not registered to that person, aka a firearm registered to the wife. He stated simply the gun has to be registered to that person.

 

[Abuck]

A traffic stop over 20 minutes. Insane. "I'm gonna have you step out of the vehicle because of the gun, you know." Nope, I'm not. There's no reason for me to get out.
Was this a stop for speeding?

I believe I heard him say “74” at one point, so I believe speeding was the cause for the stop.

PA v. Mimms says that they can order everyone out of a vehicle.

 

[Blaster229]

I believe I heard him say “74” at one point, so I believe speeding was the cause for the stop.

PA v. Mimms says that they can order everyone out of a vehicle.

There was no reason to get him out of the vehicle. That's the point.

 

[N3uka]

I am guessing the overkill was that the guy was training a rookie. Wonder if this was a normal stop if all the bs would have happened.

 

[John from MD]

So here's a legit question, or at least to me it seems like a legit question:

I own many handguns that did not originate in Maryland and to my knowledge are not entered into any system anywhere. Those would still be perfectly legal for me to carry, but if they run the serial number, they aren't going to get anything back. What then?

Then you are good to go. Maryland does not have "total" firearm registration.

 

[teratos]

A traffic stop over 20 minutes. Insane. "I'm gonna have you step out of the vehicle because of the gun, you know." Nope, I'm not. There's no reason for me to get out.
Was this a stop for speeding?

Civil rights violation. A stop cannot last longer than is reasonable to address the original offense, as long as Officer Friendly doesn’t see a few Squaregroupers in the back seat.

You must step out if ordered to do so.

Pennsylvania v. Mimms - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Blaster229]

I am guessing the overkill was that the guy was training a rookie. Wonder if this was a normal stop if all the bs would have happened.

Like stated above, this new trooper will forever run serial numbers because of this stop.

 

[teratos]

Like stated above, this new trooper will forever run serial numbers because of this stop.

Yep. And insist it’s lawful.

 

[pbharvey]

A traffic stop over 20 minutes. Insane. "I'm gonna have you step out of the vehicle because of the gun, you know." Nope, I'm not. There's no reason for me to get out.
Was this a stop for speeding?

Yes, he got a warning. I think the cop gave him the warning in trade for tying the guy up so long.

 

[teratos]

Yes, he got a warning. I think the cop gave him the warning in trade for tying the guy up so long. violating his civil rights.

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