Interesting Talk to with Moco police officer today about country directives w/ ccw

[babalou]

This is the way I see it going down:
Your pulled over by officer Dew-rite for a tail light out.
It is found you are a permit holder, and carrying.
He ask for your weapon to "run the numbers".
Just as you are removing your weapon and clearing it, to hand to Ofc Dew-right,, Barney is walking up on the passenger side and sees you racking a slide (to clear it) and he ventilates you.

damn. you know there could be a lot of truth to this.

 

[teratos]

" Registered to You " isn't in the law , and is BS .

Running s/n to see if stolen is potentially legitimate , but overkill as an automatic response without otherwise suspicion.

How many LEO will want you to draw your sidearm once they know you have it?

 

[Biggfoot44]

How many logically would want you to ? Few .

What will be formal or informal directives ? Or the attitudes and intentions of individual Ofc , Or their first line supervisors expressing at roll call is an unknown .

 

[shrinkwrap]

This is the way I see it going down:
Your pulled over by officer Dew-rite for a tail light out.
It is found you are a permit holder, and carrying.
He ask for your weapon to "run the numbers".
Just as you are removing your weapon and clearing it, to hand to Ofc Dew-right,, Barney is walking up on the passenger side and sees you racking a slide (to clear it) and he ventilates you.

One intervening question - how does the officer know you are carrying? To my knowledge there is no connection between DL and CCW in MD (not sure about this). Assuming there is no connection, the only way s/he would know you are carrying is if you volunteer the info, or if you are asked - "do you have any weapons in your vehicle?" How would most of us reply to a question like this?

 

[Slackdaddy]

One intervening question - how does the officer know you are carrying? To my knowledge there is no connection between DL and CCW in MD (not sure about this). Assuming there is no connection, the only way s/he would know you are carrying is if you volunteer the info, or if you are asked - "do you have any weapons in your vehicle?" How would most of us reply to a question like this?

only 3 ways to respond.

1) Truth - yes, I am a permit holder.
2) Lie - No
3) Refuse to answer.

None of them are good for your well being "IF" they are running numbers

 

[shrinkwrap]

only 3 ways to respond.

1) Truth - yes, I am a permit holder.
2) Lie - No
3) Refuse to answer.

None of them are good for your well being "IF" they are running numbers

Once, about 20 years ago, I was pulled over because an MSP trooper didn't like the way I changed lanes. He was annoyed, but I was cordial. The only time I have ever been asked anything like this - "do you have anything in your car I should know about?" I've been carrying for 25 years. Even though I had my carry pistol with me, I said "no," since I was no threat to the trooper (and didn't want him fiddling with gun at the side of the road). He scolded me and sent me on my way. My assumption was at the time that, absent probable cause for a search (there obviously was none), he couldn't do much anyway if I don't admit to carrying. Not sure what I would have said had he asked me directly "do you have any weapons or guns in your vehicle?"

 

[swinokur]

How many permit holders carry stolen firearms?

SMH

 

[Epiphany]

Remember that if stopped, you are not required to, nor should you, voluntarily disclose anything - so why introduce drama into a situation?

A direct question is different from “anything I should know about?” And a world apart from just disclosing apropos nothing.

 

[coinboy]

The interesting aspect of this thread is whether we should announce if we have a carry permit and are carrying if stopped by an officer.

In my training class, we were told that we should announce.

I'm curious what the current and/or former police members of this board think. I'm also curious what esqappellate thinks.

 

[swinokur]

I do it as a courtesy. Cops don’t like surprises

You can still politely decline a search of your vehicle

ETA-I am not a cop

 

[Blaster229]

Remember that if stopped, you are not required to, nor should you, voluntarily disclose anything - so why introduce drama into a situation?

A direct question is different from “anything I should know about?” And a world apart from just disclosing apropos nothing.

"I'm not discussing my day" Nothing in the law states that you have to engage in small talk.

 

[Biggfoot44]

How many permit holders carry stolen firearms?

SMH

Knowingly , essentially zero .
Purchased privately before '96 , or in another state before moving to Md before '13 , could have been stolen , possibly passing thru several hands first unknow to buyer , or final seller .

 

[Biggfoot44]

I'm curious what the current and/or former police members of this board think. I'm also curious what esqappellate thinks.

Knowledgeable and thoughtful opinions vary , and there is no single Best Answer .

 

[Sundazes]

Remember that if stopped, you are not required to, nor should you, voluntarily disclose anything - so why introduce drama into a situation?

A direct question is different from “anything I should know about?” And a world apart from just disclosing apropos nothing.

You are new here. This has been discussed over and over and over again.
Boils down to what YOU feel comfortable doing, regardless of what is or is not required by law.

 

[swinokur]

^^^^^

This

 

[JohnnyE]

Once, about 20 years ago, I was pulled over because an MSP trooper didn't like the way I changed lanes. He was annoyed, but I was cordial. The only time I have ever been asked anything like this - "do you have anything in your car I should know about?" I've been carrying for 25 years. Even though I had my carry pistol with me, I said "no," since I was no threat to the trooper (and didn't want him fiddling with gun at the side of the road). He scolded me and sent me on my way. My assumption was at the time that, absent probable cause for a search (there obviously was none), he couldn't do much anyway if I don't admit to carrying. Not sure what I would have said had he asked me directly "do you have any weapons or guns in your vehicle?"

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I am not a mind reader. If asked this question, I have no idea what YOU (this is subjective and a matter of the inquirer's unarticulated perspective) should know about, and I certainly shall not presume to know what interests you. In response to this general inquiry, should I tell you I have an extra sandwich in my car? Maybe if you told me you were hungry I may tell you I have a sandwich for you. See my point? Unless specifically asked, the presence of a lawfully possessed gun ranks right up there with the presence of a bottle of water. We are not apologists for exercising our rights. Deal with specific questions. Follow the law. Do not assume and do not ramble.

 

[shrinkwrap]

Remember that if stopped, you are not required to, nor should you, voluntarily disclose anything - so why introduce drama into a situation?

A direct question is different from “anything I should know about?” And a world apart from just disclosing apropos nothing.

And that is precisely my question. What would you do if asked directly? Is saying "no" when you are in possession of a gun during a routine traffic stop a crime?

 

[shrinkwrap]

I cannot speak for anyone else, but I am not a mind reader. If asked this question, I have no idea what YOU (this is subjective and a matter of the inquirer's unarticulated perspective) should know about, and I certainly shall not presume to know what interests you. In response to this general inquiry, should I tell you I have an extra sandwich in my car? Maybe if you told me you were hungry I may tell you I have a sandwich for you. See my point? Unless specifically asked, the presence of a lawfully possessed gun ranks right up there with the presence of a bottle of water. We are not apologists for exercising our rights. Deal with specific questions. Follow the law. Do not assume and do not ramble.

Clearly this trooper was fishing. It is amazing what people will admit to, even when guilty - "oh, officer, do you mean the 2 kilos of cocaine in my trunk?" So many years ago there were so few CCW permits extant in MD that I don't think he thought to ask a specific question about a firearm. My concern is that nowadays LEOs will ask everyone encountered in routine interactions if they are armed. What would you do?

 

[Sundazes]

Clearly this trooper was fishing. It is amazing what people will admit to, even when guilty - "oh, officer, do you mean the 2 kilos of cocaine in my trunk?" So many years ago there were so few CCW permits extant in MD that I don't think he thought to ask a specific question about a firearm. My concern is that nowadays LEOs will ask everyone encountered in routine interactions if they are armed. What would you do?

See post 154

 

[swinokur]

And don’t lie