SB86 (2023) - Rifles and Shotguns – Possession – Age Requirement (Raise the Age Act of 2023)

[lockandload]

Me too! What the hell?

 

[Derek]

He's probably being beaten for saying abortion without parental consent.

 

[MikeSP]

Here, we have 6 visitors watching this thread. Hello Chairman Fresh Prince.

Ah thought this was in the over 50 section

 

[dblas]

Looks like they have moved on to SB 113

 

[MikeSP]

Students up that have been waiting over 8 hours to testify.

Where do we find more like them?

They were definitely losing patience with waiting but testified well. They looked less nervous than I felt.

 

[hdatontodo]

Hiirshfield v BATFE (4th Ciruit 2021) 18 USC 922(b)(1)

That and 1983 fees were great to hear.

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[dblas]

Thread for SB113:

SB113 (2023) - Civil Actions – Public Nuisances – Firearm Industry Members(Gun Industry Accountability Act of 2023)

SB113 - Civil Actions – Public Nuisances – Firearm Industry Members 3 (Gun Industry Accountability Act of 2023) Sponsor(s): Senators Waldstreicher and Lee Link to Bill: https://mgaleg.maryland.gov/2023RS/bills/sb/sb0113F.pdf Synopsis: FOR the purpose of prohibiting certain firearm industry...

www.mdshooters.com

 

[dblas]

That and 1983 fees were great to hear.

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Thanks.

 

[lazarus]

Just lost the feed.

Everytown twit there talking to an empty feed.

That's the universe's way of saying he has nothing useful to say and good night.

 

[Derek]

Everytown twit there talking to an empty feed.

That's the universe's way of saying he has nothing useful to say and good night.

 

[dblas]

Everytown twit there talking to an empty feed.

That's the universe's way of saying he has nothing useful to say and good night.

I saw that.

 

[dblas]

Sponsor still ducking question from Sen Folden.

 

[fogman]

Students up that have been waiting over 8 hours to testify.

Where do we find more like them?

Those were my kids that I coach in 4-H. Ben just aged out of the program but is continuing to compete at the Olympic Level. Keirsten and Olivia are 12 and 13. The boy in the blues sweatshirt is my 16 year old son.
My son and I were there for 12 hours today so he could testify.

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[dblas]

Those were my kids that I coach in 4-H. Ben just aged out of the program but is continuing to compete at the Olympic Level. Keirsten and Olivia are 12 and 13. The boy in the blues sweatshirt is my 16 year old son.
My son and I were there for 12 hours today so he could testify.

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Damn good job by all of them, get them a Student membership in MSI and keep them involved in testifying.

All of them knocked it out of the park.

 

[hodgepodge]

Those were my kids that I coach in 4-H. Ben just aged out of the program but is continuing to compete at the Olympic Level. Keirsten and Olivia are 12 and 13. The boy in the blues sweatshirt is my 16 year old son.
My son and I were there for 12 hours today so he could testify.

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And with the long day and the strangeness of the Senate process, and having to stand and talk in front of everyone, they provided INCREDIBLE testimony.

It was deeply personal, on point, and clearly illustrated multiple problems with the bill.

You, and all the parents, should be very proud! I hope they are sleeping in and skipping classes today, because they took some folks to class yesterday!

 

[Allen65]

Hiirshfield v BATFE (4th Ciruit 2021) 18 USC 922(b)(1)

I wonder if Smith is finally coming to the realization that Everytown lied to him about their doing legal research on the bill drafts they provided Waldstreicher? Any idiot with a Lexis-Nexus subscription could have found out about Hirschfield. And the Everytown lawyer not being able to quote a single precedential law about sensitive places was telling. Could you imagine what would happen to an attorney who showed up in court that unprepared?

 

[hdatontodo]

Hirschfeld v. Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco & Explosives, No. 19-2250 (4th Cir. 2021)

The Fourth Circuit vacated the district court's grant of the motion to dismiss plaintiffs' action seeking an injunction and a declaratory judgment that several federal laws and regulations that prevent federally licensed gun dealers from selling handguns to any 18, 19, or 20 year olds violate...

law.justia.com

The court found that 18 year olds possess Second Amendment rights, concluding that the Constitution's text, structure, and history makes clear that 18 to 20 year olds were understood to fall under the Second Amendment's protections. The court explained that those over 18 were universally required to be part of the militia near the ratification, proving that they were considered part of "the people" who enjoyed Second Amendment rights, and that most other constitutional rights apply to this age group.

The court also concluded that the laws do not pass intermediate scrutiny.

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[lazarus]

I wonder if Smith is finally coming to the realization that Everytown lied to him about their doing legal research on the bill drafts they provided Waldstreicher? Any idiot with a Lexis-Nexus subscription could have found out about Hirschfield. And the Everytown lawyer not being able to quote a single precedential law about sensitive places was telling. Could you imagine what would happen to an attorney who showed up in court that unprepared?

Want to guess why the Everytown rep (who I believe is a lawyer) is doing lobbying work and not pleading cases instead?

Most of this stuff is just ill conceived. I guess I am almost relieved that they mostly write stuff up based on feelings rather than hard legislative and judicial research to put together laws that might really stand judicial scrutiny. Or even ones where their own party isn't picking them apart after listening to their constituents.

One thing MD has proved, thankfully, is it is no New Jersey or New York. I realize the dust hasn't settled after the hearing and we have 2 months and some change till Sine Die. But NY? They special sessioned it, had effectively no public input or hearings and voted it out in what, one day? A day and a half? NJ took a little longer, but also rammed it through (unchanged?).

 

[lazarus]

Hirschfeld v. Bureau of Alcohol, Firearms, Tobacco & Explosives, No. 19-2250 (4th Cir. 2021)

The Fourth Circuit vacated the district court's grant of the motion to dismiss plaintiffs' action seeking an injunction and a declaratory judgment that several federal laws and regulations that prevent federally licensed gun dealers from selling handguns to any 18, 19, or 20 year olds violate...

law.justia.com

The court found that 18 year olds possess Second Amendment rights, concluding that the Constitution's text, structure, and history makes clear that 18 to 20 year olds were understood to fall under the Second Amendment's protections. The court explained that those over 18 were universally required to be part of the militia near the ratification, proving that they were considered part of "the people" who enjoyed Second Amendment rights, and that most other constitutional rights apply to this age group.

The court also concluded that the laws do not pass intermediate scrutiny.

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Yeah. One of those "look, this isn't remotely constitutional and we are TRYING to bend ourselves into contortions to let the government have their way with these weak as heck standards". Under todays jurisprudence? Ha.

 

[dblas]

I wonder if Smith is finally coming to the realization that Everytown lied to him about their doing legal research on the bill drafts they provided Waldstreicher? Any idiot with a Lexis-Nexus subscription could have found out about Hirschfield. And the Everytown lawyer not being able to quote a single precedential law about sensitive places was telling. Could you imagine what would happen to an attorney who showed up in court that unprepared?

Mr. Levy didn't lie, he simply told the truth that he, and Everytown, believe.