Kyle Rittenhouse being sued

[Blaster229]

Who here hoped for a conviction and wanted him punished? I’ll wait…

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out, don'tcha know?

 

[lazarus]

Huber charged at, and attacked Kyle. Huber was one of the aggressors. Kyle was on the ground, out numbered, and under attack. Counter sue the shit out of the scumbag's father. Send a message this commie Antifa bullsh!t won't be tolerated anymore.

Estate.

It isn't his father who is technically suing, it is Huber's estate that is suing. In the US legal system that is a very important distinction. There is no counter suing the dad. He could counter sue Huber estate, but I am assuming there is absolutely nothing of value to go after even if Kyle won from Huber. This isn't like he was some older decent upstanding citizen where there might be hundreds of thousands of dollars of assets in the estate.

 

[lazarus]

Respectfully, many don’t get PTSD.

I’ve met many men who have defended their country and their lives and managed to do so without feeling like they did something wrong.

Huh? Few guys I've met with PTSD from service have it because they have feelings of guilt. They have it because of trauma. You can suffer trauma without ever feeling you did anything wrong.

I never served in the military. Only 18+ years of civil service. I have a lot of friends and some family who did serve in the military. Of those I know personally, most who served in war zones and all who served in combat are carrying something with them, even if it might not be PTSD. I do have a few friends who were in combat who do have PTSD. I am not their therapist, but I've never heard them sell me something that makes me think they feel GUITLY. Just traumatized. One buddy served two tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan early 2000s. He talks positively about most of it. Cutting a 12 year old about in half with a M2 who stepped out with an RPG-7 taking aim at his HMMWV doesn't make him feel guilty. But it is something he dreams about a lot of nights. Getting shelled out of the blue, keeps him up at night. Getting shot on the chest even though his plate stopped it, keeps him up at night. And it all adds to his anger issues. Therapy has helped a heck of a lot over the years, but he still has a lot of issues from his service.

 

[dist1646]

Where were you that night? I don't see you standing with your "Brother's in Arms" at these riots.

Who wanted him punished? You keep saying that but you cannot quote anyone saying that.

Here's a fact, if he had better judgment, he wouldn't have been in this mess.

Maybe if the rioters had better judgement!

 

[lazarus]

The Question that can never be answered to everyone's satisfaction:

Whether and when it is appropriate, even morally necessary, to risk oneself for what one believes it the greater good.

I believe Rittenhouse acted out of a sense of community that reflected his inner nobility of character. I believe that he was present in Kenosha out of a sense of duty.

The fact that he was forced to defend his life for doing what he felt it was necessary to do is the stuff of tragedy, but it more defines the evil he opposed than any defect of his own character.

Perhaps not surprisingly, the question has been asked throughout recorded history, by philosophers, by poets, by playwrights. Here's one from 400 years ago:

To be, or not to be: that is the question:
Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer
The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
Or to take arms against a sea of troubles,
And by opposing end them?

Only you know the answer; eventually, we all will face The Question.

The point though he was a kid. Yes, of age he could have joined the army. With the permission of his parent(s) guardians. However, he had not.

The point is, kids make stupid decisions. The reason we have 18 as the age of majority is a recognition that people under 18 as a general rule are not old enough to make smart decisions. That doesn't mean NO kid can. But it is a recognition that many/most can't.

He made a lot of stupid decisions that night. As many others have said, he shouldn't be prosecuted for that. Just like women aren't at fault if they get attacked and raped. "oh they should have stuck with their friends. They shouldn't have walked through that neighborhood. They shouldn't have worn that". People can still make stupid decisions that put themselves or others at risk without what evil people do being the victims fault. Kyle was a victim here. He also did stupid things that put himself in a position to be a victim. Beyond not just being there. He made a number of stupid choices that night without the age/training/experience to make better choices and that put him at risk from bad, evil people.

It isn't my fault if someone breaks into my house if I leave the front door unlocked, but man that would still be a stupid decision on my part not to lock my doors when I am not home.

BTW you including of Hamlet's soliloquy/monolog is perhaps not what you think it is. It isn't about some noble thing. Hamlet is contemplating whether to put up with the troubles of life or commit suicide in that passage.

 

[MaxVO2]

Estate.

It isn't his father who is technically suing, it is Huber's estate that is suing. In the US legal system that is a very important distinction. There is no counter suing the dad. He could counter sue Huber estate, but I am assuming there is absolutely nothing of value to go after even if Kyle won from Huber. This isn't like he was some older decent upstanding citizen where there might be hundreds of thousands of dollars of assets in the estate.

*****This is actually a great point. Both Huber and the pedophile guy who had been in prison not long before Kenosha (for molesting children..repeatedly) were both basically broke and had no real assets nor any career or discernible means of supporting themselves.

There is nothing of value to go after and the "estate" suing is kind of a sneaky way of protecting the folks running the "estate", from being sued themselves while hedging their bets that Rittenhouse may one day have significant assets from selling the rights to his story (books, perhaps a made for TV movie, Kenosha Action Figures, or tactical Kenosha clothing, Rittenhouse endorsed pedophile killing pedometers, etc.. )

You'd be surprised at how much money a good story is worth, not to mention the popularity of action figures, etc.. Good money in all of this.

Kyle RIttenhouse action figure below. Dude has been working out, probably doing CrossFit!!!!

Could happen.

 

[lazarus]

Sounds like some jealousy or hurt feelings going on here. Please tell us exactly how you would have done better than Kyle with all of your training if it happened to your friends and neighbors in your town. Or would you make "better decisions" than Kyle and not put yourself at any risk to help anyone else on your own turf, despite the possibility that you might be the best trained person out there?

"He successfully defended nothing."

Kyle successfully defended himself. His life is not "nothing". Do you think the lives of the criminals who tried to kill him are worth more than his?

"And grown men looking up to him for it."

I know quite a few combat veterans, highly trained "grown men" who have been in multiple deployments, multiple gunfights, who have complimented Kyle's actions, and none of them have had any issue after the fact about why Kyle was there or what level of training he did or did not have. Most "grown men" I know don't bad-mouth other peoples' successes, especially after the fact online when they were not involved in the actual incident.

The rioters that night weren't looking to force their way into power, they were just a tool that the Left uses to help force its way into power. That fact does not even matter to Kyle's situation. What matters to Kyle's situation was the fact that the rioters were using violence, and specific individual rioters were using violence directly against Kyle, with the intent of causing death or great bodily harm to Kyle.

"Where were the hundreds of good men?"

Good question. Were the police doing anything to clean antifa graffiti, provide medical aid in the middle of a riot, or stop the violence? No. Were you there? No. Were any of us there? No. Obviously that answer might be different if this had happened on our turf instead of half a continent away, but I don't see how we have the privilege of questioning Kyle's actions when none of us was presented with the same situation, so none of us had to make those decisions for ourselves. How many of the people here bad-mouthing Kyle for his alleged poor decisions or lack of training would have actually stepped up if antifa did the same thing in our own towns?

I don't understand why so many, especially many who claim to have a high level of "training", are so quick to judge Kyle for an alleged lack of judgement or lack of training. Are they jealous that they weren't there to handle that situation with all their "training"? Are these "highly trained' commentators jealous that an "untrained young man" managed to handle that situation and defend his own life in the best tactical and legal manner possible? Are these vocal 2A and individual liberty proponents somehow threatened by the fact that a young man actually embodied the actual application of those 2A and individual liberty freedoms that they can only pontificate about online?

So many seem to take offense to the fact that the jury decided that Kyle had the legal right to be where he was, had the legal right to carry the firearm, and had the legal right to defend his own life with it. Those whose feelings are somehow hurt by this are still lashing out at Kyle over inapplicable minutiae bullsh*t to this day. Kyle managed to do the right things from start to finish, and the jury agreed. Get over the fact the a 17 year old succeeded in a situation that most of us will likely never be in, for which most of us will never get to apply our training and skills, and in which none of us could have done better than Kyle, despite the fact that many of us are better trained, and some of us do have combat/gunfight experience.

Only thing I'd like to point out is that was not his neighborhood, or even his town. He lived in Illinois about 15-20 miles away. That would be like me driving downtown to Baltimore to help out with the riots there. I've been to Baltimore. It isn't my hometown (Kenosha wasn't Kyle's hometown or place of residence either). It isn't all that close. close to 20 miles from me.

So, this was not happening in "his town". I'd still think he was making some bad decisions even if it was HIS town at 17. But it wasn't his town. And it especially wasn't his neighborhood with his neighbors he was trying to defend. So yes, for all of those reasons, it emphasizes to me why he was dumb and the people involved in the parental guidance were dumb.

I forget who replied earlier, yes, I am aware his Mom dropped him off to clean up graffiti. But unless I've missed something, nothing came out at trial that she was going to pick him up a few hours later and he skipped the pickup and also smuggled a rifle in a bag with him or had a friend bring him a rifle so he could play armed medic that night. Or even that he was going to get a ride him in a few hours and lied to his mom. She knew, roughly, that he was putting himself in a fair amount of danger in a town that has had serious riots with threats of MORE riots. Nothing came out that she was hounding him all evening on where he was, why wasn't he home, etc. So yes, his mother made some pretty negligent and stupid decisions in this case.

 

[mvee]

This article highlights that his mother knew little about what Kyle was doing that night, and that Rittenhouse drove himself to Kenosha. Also Kyle had friends in Kenosha and worked there so he may have considered the city his town. https://www.factcheck.org/2021/11/rittenhouse-testified-he-drove-himself-to-kenosha-without-weapon/

 

[outrider58]

***** You'd be surprised at how much money a good story is worth, not to mention the popularity of action figures, etc.. Good money in all of this.

Kyle RIttenhouse action figure below. Dude has been working out, probably doing CrossFit!!!!

Could happen.


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...and a sex change, or am I mistaking him for a woman?

 

[jc1240]

...and a sex change, or am I mistaking him for a woman?

Vasquez from Aliens.

 

[outrider58]

Vasquez from Aliens.

You know the line, right?

Hudson to Vasquez: Have you ever been mistaken as a man?

Vasquez to Hudson: No. Have you?

 

[Sgt. Psycho]

You're all wordy and all, but I'll bite...

LOL First of all, I don't CLAIM to have a higher level of training, I DO HAVE a higher level of training. Let's clear that up right meow.

Secondly, it requires a zero level of training to make a good decision. " Hey, it's going to be pretty shitty out there and dangerous. I'll just sit this one out".
He is a kid who at first had all the machismo and bravado of people like you
"people like me"?

here and then it went south. He lucked out through the whole ordeal.
Don't act like he is someone to be looked up to and his tactical prowess to be studied for the years to come. I never said or implied any such thing.

He certainly wasn't handling himself swimmingly out there.
Since we have all the video for a play-by-play, and since you DO HAVE a higher level of training, how would you have handled yourself better in that situation?
If you would have handled it with "your better judgement" by sitting it out, then your opinion on how he handled anything in that situation doesn't matter.
I honestly would like to hear what you, with your higher level of training, think you would have done differently during those altercations. Your "tactical expertise" on this matter can be a learning experience for the rest of us.

 

[Biggfoot44]

The thought of bankrupting myself and my family for such endeavors is.....I don't even have the word. Ridiculous comes to mind.

Hey, this is indeed a choice and option .

If you ( someone) decides that avoidence of any possible legal entanglement is the Highest Priority , above defending oneself , that is certianly a life choice within the realm of Free Will .

 

[hogarth]

Hey, this is indeed a choice and option .

If you ( someone) decides that avoidence of any possible legal entanglement is the Highest Priority , above defending oneself , that is certianly a life choice within the realm of Free Will .

Defending myself when trouble finds me is one thing. Seeking out situations in which it is likely that I will have to defend myself is something else entirely.

I don't take midnight strolls through Upton, Penn-North, etc., shoot people who attempt to mug me, and then seek the admiration of people in the "gun community" for defending myself.

In my roughly 50 years on this planet, I have won way more gunfights than Rittenhouse.....by NOT being there when the bullets have flown. And I didn't just win the fight, but I also won the fight after the fight (the one he continues to fight today).

 

[outrider58]

Defending myself when trouble finds me is one thing. Seeking out situations in which it is likely that I will have to defend myself is something else entirely.

I don't take midnight strolls through Upton, Penn-North, etc., shoot people who attempt to mug me, and then seek the admiration of people in the "gun community" for defending myself.

In my roughly 50 years on this planet, I have won way more gunfights than Rittenhouse.....by NOT being there when the bullets have flown. And I didn't just win the fight, but I also won the fight after the fight (the one he continues to fight today).

Amen

If Rittenhouse's choice was "the right choice", he would not have been there alone.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Trained and prepared men get PTSD from such things.

And ?

 

[teratos]

And ?

You seriously can’t read between the lines on that one?

 

[Biggfoot44]

In my roughly 50 years on this planet, I have won way more gunfights than Rittenhouse.....by NOT being there when the bullets have flown.

I'll bite . How are gunfights that didn't happen quantified ?

Where a shootee in in the gunsights , but trigger not pulled ?

Where a gun was at hand , simultaneously with a potential shootee acting such that shooting was plausibly an option , but gun not drawn ?

Every shooting in the state/ region/ country that took place when you weren't there ?

#1 & #2 are quantifiable events . #3 is essentially infinite for every person .

 

[Bob A]

BTW you including of Hamlet's soliloquy/monolog is perhaps not what you think it is. It isn't about some noble thing. Hamlet is contemplating whether to put up with the troubles of life or commit suicide in that passage.

Yeah, thanks for the insight.

I'm drawing a picture from the specific to the general, looking at an individual action with serious and important implications behind it.

Those who choose to let others fight for them, who decide that it's going to be dangerous, cold, unpleasant, and it's not worth the effort to support to stand up to chaos/evil, those folks are on the side of suicide, be it personal or societal.

Those who are of a mind to take up arms against trouble, well, they're on the other side.

We each determine for ourselves where our sympathies lie, whether it's worth actually fighting for what we believe.

While I view Rittenhouse in a favorable light, with all due respect, my post isn't about him.

It's about everybody.

Most here have made it very clear where they stand.

 

[MaxVO2]

You know the line, right?

Hudson to Vasquez: Have you ever been mistaken as a man?

Vasquez to Hudson: No. Have you?

*****Haha! I was wondering if any of you fellas would notice it was Vasquez!!!