ATF Coming After Firearms with Stabilizing Braces

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  • wbw2123

    Active Member
    Nov 19, 2012
    902
    Oh, you mean submitted your form 1 for forbearance? No, that's not how I read it and not what the talking heads have said. It appears you only need the title I stuff in a trust prior to publish- signed and notarized for proof of prior ownership. You can submit those trust possessed firearms any time during forbearance period to be approved as owned by the trust vs being denied and resubmitting as an individual.
     

    5string

    Active Member
    Feb 21, 2014
    104
    NC
    Yes I was aware of the 120 day thing. I had my trust taken care of several days ago so I submitted everything. I’ve never heard of them coming after NFA items but this time could be different.
     

    bmorestance

    Member
    Dec 2, 2013
    44
    One option is gone as soon as the rule is in the registry. To get the free stamp for a pistol owned by a trust, the trust must have owned the gun prior to the final rule hitting the registry.
    Sure, some braced pistols are currently non-compliant with the 29" law. Let's look at the likelyhood of certain events happening.

    1. Another forbearance of tax. We haven't seen this on any large scale since the machine gun amnesty. Odds of it happening again are slim to none.

    2. The nfa is abolished. Nope... Big nope, I hope but certainly don't expect this to happen in my lifetime, though a couple hundred million sbr would go a long way to making the common use argument under Heller and Bruen for a court court battle to eliminate sbr.

    3. The rule is struck. Are they going to rescind the forbearance stamps and cancel pending form 1's submitted during that period? Maybe, or maybe they leave the submissions and approvals on the books anyway as it would be a pain to do otherwise.

    4. The courts rule against Maryland's 29" rule. It may take a few years, but this seems like an inevitability under Bruen. We've waited a decade since 2013 for winds to be in our favor and after another donation to MSI I'm feeling that this is more likely than not.

    So where does that leave a descending brace afficiando? Certain you can file under forbearance and include a compliant length that you intend to make sure sbr. File with possession, remove the brace, add a cap, and when the form 1 is approved decide to either modify to 29" or leave it as a non-braced pistol awaiting the removal of the 29" rule.

    The other options are F-the-ATF with full non compliance or remove the brace. If you're going to remove the brace anyway, and it's already on a 77r, they know you have it, why not file for the free stamp?

    I'm by no means anything kind of expert and certainly leery of free candy, but this feels like we're going to probably win in the long run either way. It's just too egregious. We'll have to wait for the interpretations when they publish, but maybe a couple dozen free stamps would make you feel better about all this BS and help provide standing to further reclaim our rights.

    I dunno, I haven't made up my mind but will definitely try to position myself to have all options available over the next 120 days.

    I feel you. It's total bs.

    Regarding your comment about removing the brace...
    What is your take on...

    A. Some people bought a pistol with a brace already attached.
    B. Some people bought a pistol with no brace attached and never put a brace on.

    Would A. need to register? My take - Yes
    Would B. need to register? My take - No

    The way I am interpreting is those who never put a brace on wont need to register because they are not considered sbr.
    Is this info valid?
     

    noddaz

    bonehead
    Jan 9, 2014
    529
    Arnold

    ATF Coming After Firearms with Stabilizing Braces​

    Is the ATF going after these also? These brace the firearm.
    iu
     

    wbw2123

    Active Member
    Nov 19, 2012
    902
    I feel you. It's total bs.

    Regarding your comment about removing the brace...
    What is your take on...

    A. Some people bought a pistol with a brace already attached.
    B. Some people bought a pistol with no brace attached and never put a brace on.

    Would A. need to register? My take - Yes
    Would B. need to register? My take - No

    The way I am interpreting is those who never put a brace on wont need to register because they are not considered sbr.
    Is this info valid?
    It's more simple than that. Here's how I understand it.

    Did you or your trust possess a braced title I pistol prior to the rule publish?

    If no, you can't file for forbearance.

    If yes, do you want to make it an sbr?

    If no, take the brace off and "destroy" it under the new rule or modify for a 16" barrel to make it a rifle

    If yes, file your form 1 during the 120 days.

    Or... f-the-atf, if you're so inclined
     
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    5string

    Active Member
    Feb 21, 2014
    104
    NC
    I feel you. It's total bs.

    Regarding your comment about removing the brace...
    What is your take on...

    A. Some people bought a pistol with a brace already attached.
    B. Some people bought a pistol with no brace attached and never put a brace on.

    Would A. need to register? My take - Yes
    Would B. need to register? My take - No

    The way I am interpreting is those who never put a brace on wont need to register because they are not considered sbr.
    Is this info valid?
    The final rule is only about pistols with a brace installed. I view it as a free tax stamp for a SBR.
     

    wbw2123

    Active Member
    Nov 19, 2012
    902
    The final rule is only about pistols with a brace installed. I view it as a free tax stamp for a SBR.
    For your form 1 did you have to submit either a picture of the compete pistol or a close up of the mfg markings?
     

    bmorestance

    Member
    Dec 2, 2013
    44
    The final rule is only about pistols with a brace installed. I view it as a free tax stamp for a SBR.
    Yes, if you meet all MD requirements... which might be more difficult than we think.
    You might have to spend more $ for certain parts to extend the build in order to meet 29" OAL.
    If you do meet the qualifications, more power to ya.
    Its possible that the more people who register will give the aft a better case because people did sign up.
     

    bmorestance

    Member
    Dec 2, 2013
    44
    That would be a good option. Does it work with any brace or just the blade?
    I found this but not sure if its accurate.

    What brace works with the KAK Shockwave buffer tube?

    "None of these (SBA3 was the photo) will work with the KAK Shockwave buffer tube. the KAK Shockwave buffer tube is a pistol buffer tube and the SBA3 brace uses a mil-spec buffer tube. The SBA3 brace on this page will come with a buffer tube that can be used, so you will need to replace your KAK Shockwave with the buffer tube included."
     

    5string

    Active Member
    Feb 21, 2014
    104
    NC
    They just slip over the tube. I'm using them with one of the 1st Sig Braces. Don't remember what the tube is but know for a fact what the brace is.
     

    5string

    Active Member
    Feb 21, 2014
    104
    NC
    After reading the link I posted I don't know what the deal is. It's been a few years and I don't remember the details.
    I'll do some measuring and update this.
     

    5string

    Active Member
    Feb 21, 2014
    104
    NC
    After reading the link I posted I don't know what the deal is. It's been a few years and I don't remember the details.
    I'll do some measuring and update this.
    I have a Sig Brace on a KAK tube. The OD of it is 1.179" and the spacers fit loosely on it but they won't fit over a standard pistol buffer which is 1.228".
    All you have to do is find something that will slip over a pistol buffer tube. A trip to Lowes will probably produce something, maybe conduit, PVC, or something else. Cut off what you need, spray it black and call it good if it will get you past that stupid law.
     
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    FrankAR15

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    Feb 1, 2008
    192
    Anne Arundel Co.
    But in MD, an SBR has to be > 29" OAL. So how do you SBR something here (free or not) if not 29" OAL?
    The way I understand it is, If bought as a pistol, you can NOT SBR it and keep it as a pistol. Just have to remove the Brace and throw it in trash or modify the brace so it can’t be reattached.
     
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