No manual safety

[Roksfr]

Practice, dry fire then at the range. After 1,000 rounds you will be comfortable, with whatever you are carrying

 

[Blaster229]

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Sniffing a holster here. Norm "Hoot" Hooten, depicted in the movie, was a trainer in our Orlando field office.
His first year there he ramped up and trained one of our tactical teams to compete in the yearly Orange County SWAT round up.
They competed 4 years I think? and placed in the top 5 or so each year. I think 3rd place the first year.

FYI, he never did that in the Mog.

 

[19smiller]

Comfortable almost immediately. I’d much rather not have a manual safety, it’s one less thing to deal with if you ever have to draw and use your firearm.


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Amen! While I have both and use both, manual and no manual safeties, it’s a nice piece of mind not having it. With the development of internal safeties that I’ve taken apart and seen, I don’t feel the need for external anymore especially for a CCW.

 

[John from MD]

For those new to daily carrying:
How long before you get comfortable with having ni manual safety like the sig p365 or glock?
I have a full size handgun now with a manual safety and looking at smaller carry guns.

If you understand how the action works, it will allow you to become comfortable with it. A Sig P365 for instance, is not going to go off if dropped and needs the trigger to actually move the striker back to the release point before it will fire. If you where a proper holster and don't play with your gun, it won't discharge.

 

[outrider58]

If you understand how the action works, it will allow you to become comfortable with it. A Sig P365 for instance, is not going to go off if dropped and needs the trigger to actually move the striker back to the release point before it will fire. If you where a proper holster and don't play with your gun, it won't discharge.

However, playing with your gun normally leads to excessive discharge...

 

[Biggfoot44]

Risk of AD ? Zero concern .

I actually do prefer a safety . But for other reasons , not fear of shooting myself .

 

[Spaceballs]

If you understand how the action works, it will allow you to become comfortable with it. A Sig P365 for instance, is not going to go off if dropped and needs the trigger to actually move the striker back to the release point before it will fire.

This is true for Glocks but the P365 keeps the striker 100% cocked.

On a Glock if somehow magically the striker was released and the firing pin blocked failed, it would not have enough energy to ignite the primer (probably)

On a P365 it would.

But those firing pin blocks are safe and reliable. A new P365 or a Glock owner should take the slide off and push the striker forward (it's the little j hook thing that comes out the bottom)

You will see it does not come out of the firing pin hole next to the extractor. Now push down on the little round thing to the side of the striker channel. That is the firing pin block. You will see the striker comes all the way out through the little hole

That is how you ensure that the blocking is operating properly.

It must be pressed in to allow the striker to fire. The only thing that can press it in is a little bar attached to the trigger. If the trigger isn't pulled the gun cannot fire.

And as an added precaution the blocker is spring loaded. It's default position is BLOCK. So if somehow the trigger breaks the blocker will be stuck closed.

The only way for a properly maintained striker fired pistol to go off by accident is if multiple things fail all at once. And on a Glock, even that isn't enough.

 

[Art3]

For what it's worth, we had a guy in our last steel match shooting a P365 with a manual safety, and it was engaging itself just about every other or second other round. At first, we all naturally assumed his thumb was bumping it, so he made a deliberate attempt to ride it down. That wasn't very feasible because the lever is so small, and it didn't make a difference. Then, he lowered his grip...a lot, and it kept happening.

In hindsight, I wish we had videoed him and tried to catch a shot with the super slow-mo these newfangled phones have and also gotten someone else to shoot it. But, he was gripping it so low, and there were so many eyes watching intently, I'm confident it wasn't his thumb doing it. He said he was going to send it back to SIG. Hopefully he'll have an answer by the next match.

Anybody else have similar experiences? I know that was only one example, but it made me glad my P365 never had a manual safety...and I don't think any of my next ones will.

 

[treasurehunter]

I read about that somewhere as well.

 

[Bob A]

I'm considering a p365x, which has the flat trigger. Does it have the "little bar? How much force is required to fire that pistol? Should I assume the striker mechanism is always cocked when a round is chambered?

(I'm not used to striker-fired pistols, obviously. I'd prefer not to have to worry about a safety.)

 

[Huckleberry]

Sniffing a holster here. Norm "Hoot" Hooten, depicted in the movie, was a trainer in our Orlando field office.
His first year there he ramped up and trained one of our tactical teams to compete in the yearly Orange County SWAT round up.
They competed 4 years I think? and placed in the top 5 or so each year. I think 3rd place the first year.

FYI, he never did that in the Mog.

WTF? Here I thought you would have been besties with The Lama.

Big Hitter The Lama but you already knew that from guys that hung out with him at the 3-Gun matches held by the Katmandu Rod & Gun Club

Tell us how the Lama told your buddy, “Gunga Galunga“ and your buddy told you about it so you got that going for you which is nice

As for Norm Hooten, never met him but he was probably the right man for the job to train those SWAT teams.

I just like the meme from the movie to emphasize a training point.

So Blaster, what was that like for you and your teammates training with Hoot? You must have shot a metric shit ton to get ready for the matches?

You’ve probably got plenty of stories about the Mog you can re-tell too

 

[E.Shell]

I'm considering a p365x, which has the flat trigger. Does it have the "little bar?

What 'little bar'?

How much force is required to fire that pistol?

The average OEM seems to be between 4.5 and 5.5 pounds. It's a two stage, with some light take-up, then it meets some resistance and fires with a little additional pressure.

Should I assume the striker mechanism is always cocked when a round is chambered?

Yes.

(I'm not used to striker-fired pistols, obviously. I'd prefer not to have to worry about a safety.)

I don't want a safety either, and proved that to myself yet again. I'm used to DA/SA revolvers and DA/SA semi-autos.

 

[joppaj]

Unless you count carrying a revolver at half-cocked as a safety, I don't own any handguns with manual safeties. I don't miss it.

 

[Spaceballs]

For what it's worth, we had a guy in our last steel match shooting a P365 with a manual safety, and it was engaging itself just about every other or second other round. At first, we all naturally assumed his thumb was bumping it, so he made a deliberate attempt to ride it down. That wasn't very feasible because the lever is so small, and it didn't make a difference. Then, he lowered his grip...a lot, and it kept happening.

In hindsight, I wish we had videoed him and tried to catch a shot with the super slow-mo these newfangled phones have and also gotten someone else to shoot it. But, he was gripping it so low, and there were so many eyes watching intently, I'm confident it wasn't his thumb doing it. He said he was going to send it back to SIG. Hopefully he'll have an answer by the next match.

Anybody else have similar experiences? I know that was only one example, but it made me glad my P365 never had a manual safety...and I don't think any of my next ones will.

A friend of mine has an M&P Shield and the exact same thing keeps happening to her.

 

[teratos]

Is it enough of a ledge to ride when shooting?

No.

For what it's worth, we had a guy in our last steel match shooting a P365 with a manual safety, and it was engaging itself just about every other or second other round. At first, we all naturally assumed his thumb was bumping it, so he made a deliberate attempt to ride it down. That wasn't very feasible because the lever is so small, and it didn't make a difference. Then, he lowered his grip...a lot, and it kept happening.

In hindsight, I wish we had videoed him and tried to catch a shot with the super slow-mo these newfangled phones have and also gotten someone else to shoot it. But, he was gripping it so low, and there were so many eyes watching intently, I'm confident it wasn't his thumb doing it. He said he was going to send it back to SIG. Hopefully he'll have an answer by the next match.

Anybody else have similar experiences? I know that was only one example, but it made me glad my P365 never had a manual safety...and I don't think any of my next ones will.

I have a 365 with a thumb safety. Never had that problem. I only have a few hundred rounds through it. The detent is pretty strong. Unless it’s defective, I can’t imagine it being engaged just due to recoil.

 

[Huckleberry]

Well there is at least one good thing about this thread

No One has said to carry the pistol in Condition 3 or worse used the term “Israeli Carry”.

 

[teratos]

Well there is at least one good thing about this thread

No One has said to carry the pistol in Condition 3 or worse used the term “Israeli Carry”.

Yet…

 

[outrider58]

Well there is at least one good thing about this thread

No One has said to carry the pistol in Condition 3 or worse used the term “Israeli Carry”.

But.. but, you just did...

 

[Huckleberry]

But.. but, you just did...

But me no buts, Slappy

 

[Crosseye Dominant]

Well there is at least one good thing about this thread

No One has said to carry the pistol in Condition 3 or worse used the term “Israeli Carry”.

Or the "special ops" Spetsnaz self racking holster.