iirc there's an actual "Birth Certificate" and a certificate that's a "record of live birth". Which I think is worthless.
There are both. Yes. (Barrack Obama can tell you all about this)iirc there's an actual "Birth Certificate" and a certificate that's a "record of live birth". Which I think is worthless.
Or just a clerical error. You are acting like they are denying a huge swathe of W&C Permit applicants.
I play one on MDS
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Yould could have gone to Carroll or Baltimore County instead of Baltimore City.Mine has a raised seal and is the original birth certificate. Not a copy. Not birth registration. The original yellow card with embossed seal. That was was what I needed to enlist, to get a passport, to get my first driver's license, etc. But now other states no longer recognize that original actual birth certificate with the embossed seal because MD replaced them with a new version and only the new version is valid. Found this out when I tried to get a PA driver's license. Confirmed it with MD.
And yes, the new ones do cost $80 if you want them mailed.
In person there is a nominal fee. But in person you have to go to the records office which...no. Just no. Especially extra no since this was a before I had a MD carry permit. I mean HELL NO. Had gone there for my kid's birth certificate years back, turned around and went right home. Open air drug market right inside the office.
And that office is only open for limited hours during the weekdays and the lines for it wrap around the building.
And I no longer lived anywhere near the place.
To get the new version mailed you have to use a 3rd party service. MD doesn't handle it themselves. The 3rd party service charges a fee for themselves, charges a fee that MD charges them (which is higher than the walk up fee) and charges you for shipping, of which the only option was insured with tracking and signature required which all costs more. All in it was $80 each for my wife and I.
I assure you that is what it costs. I explored every option to get it done cheaper aside from driving to the drug market where I could pick it up in person.
Unless we know how their system works that is apples and oranges. My guess final decision is sort of set in stone, I guess they could have started over on the error and tried to fast track it but anyones guess how long that would take. Things likle this are a reason why you appeal the final decision. It sucks they made a mistake and did a finalized packet but again the wheels of government are a machine that does not U-turn often.He’s acting like they made a mistake and instead of correcting it on their end they are making him go to the review board.
I write a ticket to your name and then find out it wasn’t you that I stopped I void the citation. Not send you to court to plead not guilty.
He’s acting like they made a mistake and instead of correcting it on their end they are making him go to the review board.
I write a ticket to your name and then find out it wasn’t you that I stopped I void the citation. Not send you to court to plead not guilty.
That WAS the office in Baltimore County.Yould could have gone to Carroll or Baltimore County instead of Baltimore City.
+1 for the MSP, although it should never have happened in the first place.**Update**
After posting this thread, I decided to try and press this issue a little harder with MSP. I reached out to the investigator again, asking for more information and where I can get more results. My bases was that, Maryland is now a shall issue state and I felt that it was now the burden of the state to demonstrate why I could not have this permit and that I felt they had not done so in accordance to MD P.S. 5-306. I got a lot of run around from her and she was about as helpful as **** on a bull.
I decided to email the Trooper in charge of my informal and ask for a little more clarity so that we didn't waste each others time at the hearing. My email is below.
"
Good Afternoon. Last Friday, 9 September I received a notification that my Maryland HGP was "disapproved" before receiving a letter of denial a few days later. In the denial it was indicated that I was denied for:
1) A PERSON HAS BEEN CONVICTED OF A CRIME INVOLVING THE POSSESSION, USE OR DISTRIBUTION OF A CONTROLLED DANGEROUS SUBSTANCE (MD P.S. 5-306(A)(3)).
In calling the Licensing Division I was told that they believed the charge was related to someone with a different middle name than mine (Christopher Shane Mossburg, Vs. my name, Christopher Blaine Mossburg) but that that I would receive a letter in the mail with my CJIS report that would tell me more clearly.
I've received the formal letter of denial this week along with said CJIS report. The CJIS report was limited to the two charges that I anticipated:
- 1) TRK# 020005404285, 6/7/09 - Disorderly Conduct with a Guilt Verdict (Plea) to which I was given a PBJ
- 2) TRK# 020005402815, 5/16/09 - Disturbing the Peace Hindering Passage which was Nolle Pros by the States Attorney's office.
In an attempt to respect your time for our scheduled 8 Oct informal review, I am looking to understand:
- If this denial was a clerical error as indicated by the MSP Licensing division call taker
- What was the TRK/Case # that were grounds for disapproval?
- Is there something not indicated in your letter or the CJIS findings that I am unaware of.
Thanks for you for any assistance and have a good weekend,
"
The Trooper did reach back out and told me that he would have someone take a look at it and get back with me (this was on the 16th). Today, I received a call from one of his guys letting me know that they looked into it and will be overturning their decision without the informal to be on the lookout for my permit. He spent some time apologizing, etc etc and we got off the phone. Within just a few minutes I got the email from MSP that my HGP was approved and am looking forward to getting it in the mail.
I know MSP get's a lot of heat in our community but I think it's important to give credit where credit is due. First Sergeant McCrory, was very "easy to do business" with and the Trooper that he put in contact with me this morning was as well. I was on the phone with my bosses, bosses, boss when he called and he actually called me 3 times in a row which allowed me to finally take the call. Really appreciate these guys making it right and getting things cleared up without waiting the additional weeks.
Maybe only +.25 for MSP for being friendly. They did misidentify him, despite having his ssn, DL, photo, and fingerprints. Good thing the other guy didn't have any warrants+1 for the MSP, although it should never have happened in the first place.
You should have put your Bosses, Bosses, Boss on hold while you took care of what was really important.
When I moved out of Maryland years back and tried to register my car in Pennsylvania I found out that my car that I had owned for several years was not titled in Maryland and didn't actually exist. (This was quite a shock considering it was parked in my garage)
But you can't title a car in PA unless you show it was titled in another state first (when you move a car into PA)
It took several months, a lot of bitching at state congressmen, and a heap ton of my daily time including multiple trips to the MVA to get it resolved.
The MVA's official position was that the car wasn't in their database and it wasn't worth their time to resolve it. (An actual supervisor yelled that at me at one point)
In the end I got a nice old lady who was retiring who no longer gave a crap about the company line. So she told me the truth. The MVA had gotten a new records system and they lost a significant portion of the vehicle records in the transfer. And didn't bother to recover them. They just wait until they show up on a case by case basis. And the only reason I was getting help was because a congressman reached out to the MVA's legislative liaison office where this lady worked. The MVA knows who butters their bread so they have a special office set up with competent people who fix problems to keep the legislators happy. (They didn't have any problems collecting my registration fees. But they never mentioned that I had plates with updated stickers that were literally not registered to a vehicle. Had I ever gotten pulled over the tags wouldn't have matched my car and the car would have likely been impounded.)
So.... if you are pissed off enough, reach out to your (hopefully 2A friendly but good luck with that) legislator to see if they can expedite things for you. I'd be shocked if the MSP didn't have the same legislative liaison office type deal.
This isn't even getting into how Maryland canceled all birth certificates about a decade back so I found that my original birth certificate was no longer valid and I had to pay $80 to have a new one mailed to me that says all the same stuff the original one says. At least they didn't say I didn't exist like they said my car didn't.
So basically anything to do with state records in Maryland is total crap. They are sloppy. They are incomplete. They are disorganized. And they straight up do not care.
This rant got away from me a little but the point was that MSP isn't likely TRYING to screw with the OP. State records are just so unholy bad that they can't avoid mistakes if they tried (and they don't seem to try)
I'm happy you both got things worked out, especially you, spaceballs, since you were no longer an MD resident.I never got a registration renewal in the mail. Called the MVA. My record had fallen out of the system and they never knew it. Lucky I didn’t get pulled over.
Went to the MVA to get it fixed.
No one apologized. You’re right. They don’t give a shit
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Unfortunate story, leaning on ridiculous, if you ask me. You turned out, after, 40 faithful, successful years on the job with a different agency. Curious, however, how does that pertain to a MD HGP/CCW rejection? I'd surmise you'd have, and qualified for LEOSA.Applied to be a Trooper in 1982. Passed everything they threw at me, and then did my polygraph. Corporal (Diggs?) from the Barracks in Forestville called me in and told me in person that they were turning me down. Advised me that it was for a, "pattern of theft." It seems that the polygraph examiner took issue with the fact that I drank free cokes while working at Wendy's in Oxon Hill without paying for them, even though I told him that all three of the managers knew about it and did not object. You work over a hot grill all summer and see if you don't need to hydrate a bit more frequently that the average guy. Anyway, took a job in DC a few months later. In February, I'll have been on the job for 40 years. I'll retire on my birthday next summer.
So all the troopers that drink out of the barracks 5 gallon water cooler jug are thieves as well.Applied to be a Trooper in 1982. Passed everything they threw at me, and then did my polygraph. Corporal (Diggs?) from the Barracks in Forestville called me in and told me in person that they were turning me down. Advised me that it was for a, "pattern of theft." It seems that the polygraph examiner took issue with the fact that I drank free cokes while working at Wendy's in Oxon Hill without paying for them, even though I told him that all three of the managers knew about it and did not object. You work over a hot grill all summer and see if you don't need to hydrate a bit more frequently that the average guy. Anyway, took a job in DC a few months later. In February, I'll have been on the job for 40 years. I'll retire on my birthday next summer.
Just a comment on how bureaucracy never changes, and bureaucrats, more than anything else.....So all the troopers that drink out of the barracks 5 gallon water cooler jug are thieves as well.
/sarcasm
Times sure have changes since 1982. Now, it's pretty much mandatory at the safety level to keep employees hydrated. I buy bottled water by the pallet.
Just a comment on how the bureaucracy never changes, and bureaucrats, more than anything else.....Unfortunate story, leaning on ridiculous, if you ask me. You turned out, after, 40 faithful, successful years on the job with a different agency. Curious, however, how does that pertain to a MD HGP/CCW rejection? I'd surmise you'd have, and qualified for LEOSA.
Well, it's more than just squiggly lines. A polygraph test is just part of the whole INTERVIEW.Ridiculous, that's probably how majority of everyone who takes a polygraph in 2022 feels about it.
Glorified heart rate monitor. The sad part is the people who get paid to operate it have to act fake as shit about how great of a tool it is. LOL
Yeah. And if you confess to something, then it worked.Right, it's a tool. That's about it LOL