How did you do on B27 for MSP HGP course of fire

[Biggfoot44]

It has nothing to do with pusssy.

If someone is, in your case, 17 yds away and an active threat, what are you going to do? Throw up your hands and say "oh well, he's out of range"?

Actually , for everyone , in virtually every possible context , there will be a certain point where you rationally know a potential shot is too long , and your realize that attempting is lesser choice than not attempting .

For particular person , on particular day , with particular gun . that might be 17yds .

 

[Blaster229]

25rd is a lot easier to avoid overlapping than 50rd . Gets harder @ 25yd stages , when you can't see the previous holes .

Yeah I know
This was called "humor"

 

[hdatontodo]

Here are my first 20 shots. I was using my new Hellcat OSP with a Swamp Fox red dot instead of my iron sighted one. I did get 3 touching though. The two fliers were from when I couldn't find the dot.

 

[Brickman301]

25 for 25. My wife decided she wanted to switch guns this morning. I shot her gun, and she shot mine. It shoots a little left, but I still think I did ok.

She also shot a 25/25, with my 1911 in 45ACP

 

[Brickman301]

Here’s the wife’s target

 

[Biggfoot44]

The two fliers were from when I couldn't find the dot. View attachment 378094

Not picking on hdatonado , just the foibles of gimmicks .

 

[Blaster229]

Here are my first 20 shots. I was using my new Hellcat OSP with a Swamp Fox red dot instead of my iron sighted one. I did get 3 touching though. The two fliers were from when I couldn't find the dot. View attachment 378094

Why would ould you shoot if you didn't have the dot?
Also, if your grip was the same, they wouldn't have gone there either. Regardless of the dot.

 

[hdatontodo]

Why would ould you shoot if you didn't have the dot?
Also, if your grip was the same, they wouldn't have gone there either. Regardless of the dot.

Good question. I fired due to time constraints. I am almost a second faster with iron sights than the new red dot.

I am used to another grip angle and the Hellcat points higher for me.

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[hdatontodo]

Not picking on hdatonado , just the foibles of gimmicks .

True. I wanted to try a dot since my progressive lenses and cross dominant eye have me firing from a modified weaver stance.

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[Biggfoot44]

Cross Dominant per se is a minor issue .

Near vision and progressive lenses should be explored with a shooting knowledgeable Optometrist . Depending upon those outcomes , there are alternative sighting techniques that don't require fine focus .

OR , Red Dot , with the appropriate woodsheding might actually be a viable choice for you .

 

[Brickman301]

Cross Dominant per se is a minor issue .

Near vision and progressive lenses should be explored with a shooting knowledgeable Optometrist . Depending upon those outcomes , there are alternative sighting techniques that don't require fine focus .

OR , Red Dot , with the appropriate woodsheding might actually be a viable choice for you .

I’m also left eye dominant, but right handed. I shoot rifles and shotguns left handed. I shoot handguns right handed. Yeah I know, I’m all screwed up.
I’m slowly teaching myself to shoot handguns left handed, and can do so pretty well. But I just feel more confident shooting handguns right handed.

 

[lazarus]

Actually , for everyone , in virtually every possible context , there will be a certain point where you rationally know a potential shot is too long , and your realize that attempting is lesser choice than not attempting .

For particular person , on particular day , with particular gun . that might be 17yds .

Some days it is 6yds, other days it is 87yds.

Just depends on what you have, what is the situation. I would hope that everyone has SOME idea in their head of what that could be.

Someone is a threat with no good backstop 17yds away, I am not sure I'd shoot at a threat unless I could be extremely confident of my shot. What are my circumstances too? Am I behind cover? Or concealment? Is the threat actively shooting at me or others? What is the non-safe backstop? Is it a crowd of people, or someone's house?

Exact same circumstances but the threat is 6yds away is going to be different mental math. Or maybe the threat is 42yds away.

Is the threat a bad guy with a knife running at me or someone else? Or is it a bad guy with a gun? A baseball bat?

If there is a safe backstop and its a bad guy with a knife and he/she is 20yds away and running at me, I am not sure I'd wait till they were on top of me. But if they had people around them, I don't think I'd take a shot till they were closer and I could be that much more sure every shot would hit them.

If I had a pocket revolver my math would maybe be different than if I was strapped with my 6.6" Glock 21L and that LONG sight radius and excellent sights.

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

The “state” doesn’t belong in the qualifications business. Moreso the “state“ with a long history of gross over reach/infringement.

The gun carrying (deadly force potential) individual has an ongoing moral obligation to know their weapon and be proficient in its operation.

In this day and age, moral obligation is a straight up anachronism…a dinosaur. To that end I can see the left‘s concerns as not logically unreasonable. Before y’all go heating the tar and fluffing the feathers, reread the words.

Proficiency is fleeting for many reasons. Personal responsibility and moral obligation are as well. What remains to be seen is just how this experiment in personal Liberty in the group setting in todays environment work out. I hope it has legs but I’ve seen some pretty misinformed and kind of crazy questions here since Bruen.

I like the model I learned under. Initial qualification with routine recertification. It’s my firm belief that will establish and maintain proficiency for the competent and moral concealed carry individual.

Whomever wants to parse mouse turds about my definition of moral or competent will engage an empty keyboard. You gotta do you. Hopefully you got some standards other than “that’s stupid” or “he doesn’t know Jack shit.”

 

[Biggfoot44]

I’m also left eye dominant, but right handed. I shoot rifles and shotguns left handed. I shoot handguns right handed. Yeah I know, I’m all screwed up.
I’m slowly teaching myself to shoot handguns left handed, and can do so pretty well. But I just feel more confident shooting handguns right handed.

I'm left eye/right hand .
Until a hand injury to left hand , could shoot more or lees equivalent with either hand w/ handguns .

 

[Racinready300ex-2]

I'm left eye/right hand .
Until a hand injury to left hand , could shoot more or lees equivalent with either hand w/ handguns .

That's pretty rare, I can think of about 2 people like that I shoot with. they're both decent shots, but because they're equal with their off hand, on a stage at a match requiring only shooting weak hand they'll be at or near the top of the standings every time.

 

[Brickman301]

I'm left eye/right hand .
Until a hand injury to left hand , could shoot more or lees equivalent with either hand w/ handguns .

I’m getting close to being able to shot a handgun with my left hand as good as I can with my right. The problem for me is, it just feels more natural to shoot with my right hand.

 

[Brickman301]

That's pretty rare, I can think of about 2 people like that I shoot with. they're both decent shots, but because they're equal with their off hand, on a stage at a match requiring only shooting weak hand they'll be at or near the top of the standings every time.

My father is right handed, but learned to shoot rifles and shotguns as a kid,left handed.
When he joined the Army in the late 60’s, during basic training he was told he couldn’t shoot left handed. He then taught himself to shoot right handed.
He made expert
While I’m the military he also made expert with the handgun. When he returned home and bought his 1st handgun it was only natural for him to shoot it left handed.
He can shoot with either handed very well, but can shoot a little better left handed, with any firearm.

 

[Racinready300ex-2]

My father is right handed, but learned to shoot rifles and shotguns as a kid,left handed.
When he joined the Army in the late 60’s, during basic training he was told he couldn’t shoot left handed. He then taught himself to shoot right handed.
He made expert
While I’m the military he also made expert with the handgun. When he returned home and bought his 1st handgun it was only natural for him to shoot it left handed.
He can shoot with either handed very well, but can shoot a little better left handed, with any firearm.

The two people I know both taught themselves to shoot left handed due to injury in their right. So they always shoot lefty now, but if forced to shoot right handed, it's pretty natural for them.

I'm not saying you can't learn to shoot vary well with both hands. Most people just don't. For me, I think it would be a waste of time to spend enough time to get as good left handed as I am right handed. There are other skills that seem more important, and you have to prioritize training time some how. I do spend a few minutes of dry fire WHO in most of my dryfire sessions. I'm not terrible at it, but it'll never be on par with my dominate hand. Not without many, many hundreds of hours of training.

 

[Blaster229]

You don't have to be 100% ambidextrous. You need to be able to point shoot in an emergency. Unless you just want to do it. That being said, if you suck strong hand, you'll teach yourself to suck off hand.

 

[montyw2]

I’m getting close to being able to shot a handgun with my left hand as good as I can with my right. The problem for me is, it just feels more natural to shoot with my right hand.

Why fight it? Just shoot right handed and tilt the pistol to your left eye? It’s a very slight adjustment...