Application Progress Tracking Thread

[pcfixer]

NICS 7/27​

HGP: Application 22HGP0165XX Status Update​

08/03/2022 11:09 AM​

APPLICATION HAS BEEN APPROVED.

SO, 5 work days today. email wait 5-7 business days!!

 

[Dbowen95]

Thanks Hokie,

Still annoying as heck. Maybe if it made the slightest bit of sense I wouldn’t mind. A clear and concise explanation on the process from start to finish would make me feel better. All we have to go on is the MSP and pickles vary vague outline. I think if they had something that explained how they go from submitted to accepted and then how they go from accepted to NICS (how do they decide the order), and from NICS to approved it would alleviate the annoyance factor many feel. Instead, we continuously check the website for updates and guess how the process goes on here. Lol.

This right here but they hate us all lmao

 

[Kirkster]

Like Sisyphus I go to the mailbox each day…. The Ukrainian brides have yet to show up either…

 

[mischa72]

I was approved yesterday, so you can add this to the data:
Application # 22HGP0241XX
Date of Application: 7/11/2022
Accepted Date: 7/15/2022
NICS date: 7/29/2022
Approved: 8/9/2022

 

[Bertfish]

Mine was accepted 7/15 amd NICS on 8/1 so your dates can't be correct unless mine gets approved today then jumps a few days to the 19th

Go upstream and read before you accuse me of being wrong. You are flatly incorrect. They are currently assigning NICS numbers to apps accepted between the 19th and 21st. Dead stop

 

[JPG]

They are working on the 7/15 "Accepted" applications (started seeing them "Approved" yesterday 8/9). They were "approving" the 7/14 apps from 8/4-8/9.

I was a renewal. Just got "Approved"

Date of Application: 7/15/2022
Accepted Date: 7/15/2022 (about 40 minutes after application submission)
NICS date: 7/20/2022
Approved: 8/10/2022

 

[Dbowen95]

Gentlemen I have made this to contribute to the discussion

 

[AOW162435]

What in the random ass Wear and Carry lottery is going on?
Submitted: 7/11
Accepted: 7/25
I see where some who submitted a day after me were accepted quicker than my application and have a NICS number already, all I have is cobwebs on my application.

 

[camo556]

I would say expect the full 90 days and be pleasantly surprised if they complete everything sooner. With the 45k+ applications that were submitted in the last month, I am sure they are swamped.

As of 8/4, only 25k of the 45k had been submitted. a lot people start apps then wait for training.

there seems to be a big slowdown this week in approvals. But on the other hand, Mdshooters members were probably the early birds to just in the WC pool so it could be sample bias too.
As of 8/4 6k of the 25k had been approved. So, expect to wait.

 

[Inigoes]

NICS 7/27​

HGP: Application 22HGP0165XX Status Update​

08/03/2022 11:09 AM​

APPLICATION HAS BEEN APPROVED.

SO, 5 work days today. email wait 5-7 business days!!

6 business days actually. The MSP works Saturday

 

[GrimReaper]

I think the sub 30 day approvals they were just seeing how fast they could actually get them done if they had to. In the past they have always taken almost the entire 90 days just because they can. Reason being so they could give us one final jab as punishment for us peons being able to exercise our rights.

 

[lazarus]

As of 8/4, only 25k of the 45k had been submitted. a lot people start apps then wait for training.

there seems to be a big slowdown this week in approvals. But on the other hand, Mdshooters members were probably the early birds to just in the WC pool so it could be sample bias too.
As of 8/4 6k of the 25k had been approved. So, expect to wait.

I still don't interpret Pickle's words the same. He said 25k had been accepted and 6k approved. Unless he actually meant 25k had been submitted and 6k accepted. Or 25k submitted and 6k approved.

I think he meant exactly that, some number of permits had been submitted, but that number is equal to

Started = Submitted + unsubmitted
Submitted = pending acceptance + 25k accepted + 6k approved
Unknown if accepted also includes approved (probably not).

Of course, I might be wrong, and you are absolutely right he was using accepted to mean all applications submitted.

 

[Boondock Saint]

I still don't interpret Pickle's words the same. He said 25k had been accepted and 6k approved. Unless he actually meant 25k had been submitted and 6k accepted. Or 25k submitted and 6k approved.

I think he meant exactly that, some number of permits had been submitted, but that number is equal to

Started = Submitted + unsubmitted
Submitted = pending acceptance + 25k accepted + 6k approved
Unknown if accepted also includes approved (probably not).

Of course, I might be wrong, and you are absolutely right he was using accepted to mean all applications submitted.

As of 8/3, Pickle said that 25,403 applications had been submitted, with 18,793 accepted, and 6,150 approved.

My guess is you're right. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that literally thousands of applications have been started and then paused/aborted as requirements for submission become clear to the uninitiated.

 

[NYRangers917]

Anyone with a 7/28 accepted seen movement yet?

 

[TRON 2.0]

As of 8/3, Pickle said that 25,403 applications had been submitted, with 18,793 accepted, and 6,150 approved.

My guess is you're right. I wouldn't find it hard to believe that literally thousands of applications have been started and then paused/aborted as requirements for submission become clear to the uninitiated.

Where are these numbers coming from? I would be interested to see them.

 

[Larry999]

Anyone with a 7/28 accepted seen movement yet?

No movement at all .
Also 7-28

 

[Boondock Saint]

Where are these numbers coming from? I would be interested to see them.

There was a Zoom meeting held with 1st Sgt. Don Pickle, commander of the Firearms Registration Section within the MSP Licensing Division. That unit is responsible for carry permits, HQLs, and 77Rs. The numbers referenced above came straight from his mouth. See the thread here: https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/...ting-just-use-the-join-meeting-button.267507/

 

[TRON 2.0]

There was a meeting held with 1SGT Pickle, commander of the Firearms Section within the MSP Licensing Division. They came straight from his mouth. See the thread here: https://www.mdshooters.com/threads/...ting-just-use-the-join-meeting-button.267507/

Thank you! I didn’t realize there was a zoom meeting the msp had covering this.

 

[lazarus]

I think the sub 30 day approvals they were just seeing how fast they could actually get them done if they had to. In the past they have always taken almost the entire 90 days just because they can. Reason being so they could give us one final jab as punishment for us peons being able to exercise our rights.

I guess you missed the post about the changes in the approvals process.

Previously MSP interviewed you, interviewed your employer if your permit had ANYTHING to do with your employment (and sometimes even if it didn't), and they also interviewed all three of your references and often your spouse. Unless they got lucky, I doubt the reviewer is getting all of that done on a sunny afternoon. That is going to take several weeks to conduct all of those interviews, even if most of them are only 5-10 minutes just because people may not be available when called. It used to be in-person for the applicant IIRC, etc. Plus the investigator also had to look at your evidence to see if it warranted issuing a permit. They'd call the bank to verify what you gave them that you are depositing cash regularly for your business. Check with the police department whose police report you submitted as having true threats against you, etc.

Today? Well today they run the NICS check and check the various Maryland criminal justice and mental health databases and then approve you if everything looks fine. If something looks fishy, they will resort to interviewing your references and/or you if something is fishy, but isn't an outright reason to deny you.

Prior work per permit, probably at a guess 2-6hrs per applicant and it would take 1-6 weeks to get the work done in (ask the bank for records, wait to receive records, etc. Schedule interview, wait for interview to be conducted). And that only really starts once the reviewer actually GETS to your application. They had others in the queue before you.

So I can see why it did use to take most of the 90 days.

But again, today, it is likely an hour of total work. Possibly. less. Someone has to look at your application information and documents to make sure it looks okay. As in you submitted the correct stuff and at least at first glance they are all filled out with what appears to be valid information, it is a picture of a person that could be used on the ID and not a picture of Frosh's starfish, the fingerprint livescan comes back as an actual one and not an invalid livescan number (or at least I am assuming they check it is valid at acceptance), etc. I'd guess 5-10 minutes to actually give it a decent look. Then it sits until an investigator can get to it. They'll check the various Maryland databases. Some of which require going in to the system for that database they want to check and manually running the query (MSP does not have a system that will automatically query and provide results for all, I think it is, 26 systems they check). At a guess, that is 30-60 minutes to query everything and make sure it is all clean. Oh and a NICS check I think up front after acceptance, but before looking at the Maryland databases. Just because that is more likely to weed someone out than the later checks are. Of course, that NICS check only takes about 5 minutes. But all told you have 1-2 people who are putting in a combined total of somewhere between maybe 40 minutes and an hour and a half if things are slow. Actual issuance of the permit once approve might be more than a check box on the screen (but I would hope it is very automated that the investigator can just enter a note into the system and hit approved, they don't have to manually create a record for the permit and then send it to the license printer). Most of this work can be done all at once if they REALLY wanted to. But they've also been clear they have hired a LOT of people. At a guess, many of those people just have the quickie training to be able to look at your application and tell if it appears to be valid with all the required information, and then let the investigator who has a bit more training run all of the checks and if necessary make some interviews (but probably won't and doesn't need to anymore). Divide and conquer.

So prior system, 2-6hrs of work (probably mostly closer to 6, and I'd bet some applicants could take 2x that total work) per applicant and it can't all be done at once, but has to occur over a period of days to weeks to gather all of the information to determine if a permit can be issued. Now, probably around an hour of work. Maybe even less, or maybe occasionally more. And most of the work can either be done at once, or they are breaking it up some. For instance, if it takes 30 seconds to pull up the juvenile records case search system and then 30 seconds to run a search and record the results, then 30 seconds to pull up the medical cannabis system and 30 seconds to run a search, rinse and repeat, why would you do that? Sit down with 30 applications and run the juvenile case search on each of them and note the results for all 30. Then move on to the next system and run the queries for all 30 applications in that system, then keep going. So you might realistically only be searching 8 systems for 30, 40, 50 applications in one day. But it might mean only spending 10 minutes per application in that day. But if you did every system search on the application to completion and then moved on to the next application, opening and closing all of those different systems might make each application take 20 minutes. Which is why it likely takes 3-6 days after a NICS to actually get an acceptance. It only takes 10-30 minutes of work to check every system to approve the application, but they are batching applications in checking all of the systems, so they check 4 systems before lunch on 50 applications, 4 after lunch. The next day, etc.

That is speculation.

Anyway, the more apps they have, the slower it'll take for approvals. But we do know per MSP's statements, they are working this as fast as possible. They have hired a lot more people to process them (they went from I think 8-10 investigators, to hiring and trying to hire 20 more people, plus farming work out to various barracks to do some of the work too (probably application acceptance). They are saying their goal is 30 to no more than 60 days. The work required for each application is probably 1/10th of what it had been on average. Of course, they also just received about 2+ year's worth of application in about 5-6 weeks and the rate of submissions is probably continuing to go up.

 

[Atlasarmory]

Every time I check my App I end up looking at accessories/addons for the 365. At this rate I'm gonna end up with a 40 pound gun by the time I get my permit. Wonder if they make the rail mounted expresso machine is coyote tan