What did you learn at your Wear & Carry training class that you didn't know before attending?

[Biggfoot44]

Whoever told you this is wrong WRT maryland. This person is referring to volkmer/mcclure/FOPA86 which deals with interstate transport through nonpermissive states. No requirements in md for locks.

No loaded handguns without w&c permit. No loaded long guns period (dnr and their BS).

Closer to FOPA , but got that wrong too . FWIW , Sigwolf9's outlined practice would be FOPA compliant , in his type of vehicle .

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I just realized we have lots of new faces , and old members with new areas of interest since I last repeated my 3 minute Schick on transporting . I'll start a new thread in a while , instead of another epic 'jacking of this thread .

 

[4g64loser]

Closer to FOPA , but got that wrong too . FWIW , Sigwolf9's outlined practice would be FOPA compliant , in his type of vehicle .

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I just realized we have lots of new faces , and old members with new areas of interest since I last repeated my 3 minute Schick on transporting . I'll start a new thread in a while , instead of another epic 'jacking of this thread .

Yeah, probably a good standalone thread. Maybe a sticky?

 

[Ecestu]

Learned allot of untrained people want to carry. Don't get Me wrong any training is good. I feel that you should have at least some training before you go to a concealed carry class. Allot of the people in our class hadn't even held a gun yet.

Lmfao. Welcome, fellow firearm enthusiast.

 

[Biggfoot44]

No loaded handguns without w&c permit. No loaded long guns period (dnr and their BS).

Laws in Maryland relating to Firearms primarily appear in three Articles . Criminal Law , Public Safety , and Natural Resources . All of them are " Real " Laws , and apply statewide .

 

[tjiann]

I'm doing my 16 hour course now. Had the classroom portion yesterday, the range portion tomorrow. Notwithstanding the constitutional arguments about the requirements, I'm finding the course I selected to be great. No large class full of people (there are only 3 including me this week), a very qualified/experienced instructor with a great demeanor, a lot of personal interactions, analyses and tips, and no BS like I'm hearing about from so many of the courses.

I was fortunate to get my initial handgun training one-on-one from Blaster229 (and I look forward to learning more from him in the future). This course has taught me even more about situational awareness, draw/fire/follow-up assessment steps, and a variety of other things related to handguns and shooting. And, to top it all off, I know I'm getting a pretty hands on holster training day tomorrow (prior to the MD required assessment) at the range given there are only 3 of us.

Cost of course is $350. Well worth it for what I'm getting out of it vs. so many of the large class sh#t shows I've read about.

 

[Sigwolf9]

Whoever told you this is wrong WRT maryland. This person is referring to volkmer/mcclure/FOPA86 which deals with interstate transport through nonpermissive states. No requirements in md for locks.

No loaded handguns without w&c permit. No loaded long guns period (dnr and their BS).

Exactly this is what I argued with the instructor.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Learned allot of untrained people want to carry. Don't get Me wrong any training is good. I feel that you should have at least some training before you go to a concealed carry class. Allot of the people in our class hadn't even held a gun yet.

Well yeah ! ( The big picture , not necessarily Jond's implied outlook .)

* We * ( meaning gun enthusiasts ) are but a small subset .

Carry / Self Defense is Not simply a progressive evolution stage of our hobby . It is a widespread basic hirachy ( too lazy for dictionary , and spell check won't kick in when actually needed )among the general population to be safe , and self preservation .

Whole lots of people have minimal interest in shooting as a recreation , historical timelines , interesting engineering , etc . They have a totally pragmatic desire to be able to take effective steps to protect themselves/ family just in case worst case actually happens .

I'm sure there are such people as Fire Extinguisher Enthusiasts . They'll study the history of different brands and models , the change if font on the name plates that changed on XYZ model in mid 1953 , and have epic threads debating different fire retardants and propellants , in which combinations , in which climate ambient conditions .


99 % of us , couldn't really care .

We think it would be a wise precaution to have fire extinguishers at home / vehicles . We might pay attention to CO2 vs Dry Chemical . We'll spend 10 or 20 minutes to search and read up the vary basics on ratings , once , shortly before buying . Stuff like " 5BC is very common . and only moderately obtrusive . and handle a lot of the needs suitable for Joe or Josie Public to handle on their own simply
And by comparison , 10BC is more better- er , but more expensive and cumbersome . Maybe get one if they have particular location particularly susceptible to bigger nastier fires .


Particularly after Bruen , particularly in the previously restrictive jurisdictions . Now that is actually possible , they want the anti Violent Felon equivalent of a hardware store 5BC , and enough knowledge to be equivalent to " pull pin , point to fire , squeeze handle " .

They're more of " them " than of " us " . They're not stupid , or to be ridiculed . They just have a more pragmatic view of where things fit in their big picture of life .

To once again play Let's Substitute the Noun , substitute today's cell phone camera phones , or 20 yrs ago drugstore disposable camera vs photography enthusiasts debating F Stops , shutter speeds , multiple exposures , and different color saturations as an advanced hobby.

 

[clandestine]

I used to think there was no such thing as stupid questions.

Carry discussions on social media has shown me I was mistaken.

Fuddlore in the gun community has grown to unstoppable levels due to the increase in new gun owners and gun carriers.

The worst examples I have witnessed are with residents of MD and NJ.

I will never support mandatory gun training, but dang people are proud to be ignorant.

 

[jrumann59]

I used to think there was no such thing as stupid questions.

Carry discussions on social media has shown me I was mistaken.

Fuddlore in the gun community has grown to unstoppable levels due to the increase in new gun owners and gun carriers.

The worst examples I have witnessed are with residents of MD and NJ.

I will never support mandatory gun training, but dang people are proud to be ignorant.

Chad unfortunately it isn't isolated to just guns. It has always been that way

 

[Art3]

I include it in my "class".

We're all kinda your students anyway, right?

I think they are a little undersized, but 20 bucks is 20 bucks 18,600 "bucks"

 

[rbird7282]

It does in the context of if you wake up in the middle of the night to the sounds of someone breaking into your shed you can't blast them from the bedroom window. (in MD)

Well of course not. You at least have to go out on the deck and crack off a couple of warning shots with your shotgun


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[Blaster229]

We're all kinda your students anyway, right?

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I think they are a little undersized, but 20 bucks is 20 bucks 18,600 "bucks"

Cold cash rollin'

 

[Blaster229]

I learned the 9 dot torture test we did as practice before the actual qualification was pretty challenging.

Are you a new shooter? Because it would be.
The instructor should have just been geared on getting people to pass the test with the proper way to shoot the qual.

 

[rossiski]

Are you a new shooter? Because it would be.
The instructor should have just been geared on getting people to pass the test with the proper way to shoot the qual.

I am not and everyone in the class did it as practice before the qual.

 

[lazarus]

Well yeah ! ( The big picture , not necessarily Jond's implied outlook .)

* We * ( meaning gun enthusiasts ) are but a small subset .

Carry / Self Defense is Not simply a progressive evolution stage of our hobby . It is a widespread basic hirachy ( too lazy for dictionary , and spell check won't kick in when actually needed )among the general population to be safe , and self preservation .

Whole lots of people have minimal interest in shooting as a recreation , historical timelines , interesting engineering , etc . They have a totally pragmatic desire to be able to take effective steps to protect themselves/ family just in case worst case actually happens .

I'm sure there are such people as Fire Extinguisher Enthusiasts . They'll study the history of different brands and models , the change if font on the name plates that changed on XYZ model in mid 1953 , and have epic threads debating different fire retardants and propellants , in which combinations , in which climate ambient conditions .


99 % of us , couldn't really care .

We think it would be a wise precaution to have fire extinguishers at home / vehicles . We might pay attention to CO2 vs Dry Chemical . We'll spend 10 or 20 minutes to search and read up the vary basics on ratings , once , shortly before buying . Stuff like " 5BC is very common . and only moderately obtrusive . and handle a lot of the needs suitable for Joe or Josie Public to handle on their own simply
And by comparison , 10BC is more better- er , but more expensive and cumbersome . Maybe get one if they have particular location particularly susceptible to bigger nastier fires .


Particularly after Bruen , particularly in the previously restrictive jurisdictions . Now that is actually possible , they want the anti Violent Felon equivalent of a hardware store 5BC , and enough knowledge to be equivalent to " pull pin , point to fire , squeeze handle " .

They're more of " them " than of " us " . They're not stupid , or to be ridiculed . They just have a more pragmatic view of where things fit in their big picture of life .

To once again play Let's Substitute the Noun , substitute today's cell phone camera phones , or 20 yrs ago drugstore disposable camera vs photography enthusiasts debating F Stops , shutter speeds , multiple exposures , and different color saturations as an advanced hobby.

You're the type that uses a CO2 fire extinguisher on a class F fire aren't you.

Disgusting.

 

[lazarus]

I used to think there was no such thing as stupid questions.

Carry discussions on social media has shown me I was mistaken.

Fuddlore in the gun community has grown to unstoppable levels due to the increase in new gun owners and gun carriers.

The worst examples I have witnessed are with residents of MD and NJ.

I will never support mandatory gun training, but dang people are proud to be ignorant.

There are no stupid questions, just stupid people. Who will ask questions a not stupid person wouldn't ask or in a way a not stupid person wouldn't ask. :-D

 

[JohnnyE]

So the untrained should get trained before the training.....got it.

I already know how to shoot and do not need basic firearms training. I would like to take a 16 hour W&C class that focuses on MD gun laws including appropriate circumstances for the use of force, producing a pistol from concealment, and other topics related to the specifics of W&C. Those needing a firearms 101 class should get that elsewhere.

 

[teratos]

I already know how to shoot and do not need basic firearms training. I would like to take a 16 hour W&C class that focuses on MD gun laws including appropriate circumstances for the use of force, producing a pistol from concealment, and other topics related to the specifics of W&C. Those needing a firearms 101 class should get that elsewhere.

Since they put this in place as a roadblock, it just caters to the lowest IQ in the room. They never gave a hen’s cloaca what anyone actually learned. That’s what we got!

 

[JohnnyE]

Since they put this in place as a roadblock, it just caters to the lowest IQ in the room. They never gave a hen’s cloaca what anyone actually learned. That’s what we got!

Yeah, I know, it just galls be that MSP can only come up with four hours worth of training requirements and not even pretend to throw in basket weaving and apple polishing to fill the remaining three-quarters of the time.

 

[TRON 2.0]

I learned two things.

1) Most of the people who were taking the class should not be allowed around guns or should be required to have more training before they carry… one student got their finger stuck in the chamber while practicing clearing the training weapons.

2) If ever in a situation where you might need to draw and fire, you have to worry about every other person around you with possible permit as well and how they might interpret your use of your firearm. Possible friendly fire due to confusion and stress in a situation. So you are required to process a lot more about the situation be you react.


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