Post 6/23/2022 MD Wear & Carry Permit Application

[DC-W]

The MSP should also accept General and medical discharges. Other than honorable discharges, usually get a second look into the details of seperation.

The only one that disqualifies gun ownership is a Dishonorable discharge. That would be the equivalent to a felony conviction, and also makes the seperated member to lose the right to vote.

I can confirm that MSP only accepts Honorable Discharge. It’s also in state law.

Md. Public Safety Art. § 5-306(b)

(b) An applicant for a permit is not required to complete a certified firearms training course under subsection (a) of this section if the applicant:
(1) is a law enforcement officer or a person who is retired in good standing from service with a law enforcement agency of the United States, the State, or any local law enforcement agency in the State;
(2) is a member, retired member, or honorably discharged member of the armed forces of the United States or the National Guard;
(3) is a qualified handgun instructor; or
(4) has completed a firearms training course approved by the Secretary.

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I’ve had to give the bad news to a few people who were kicked back by MSP.

 

[Inigoes]

I can confirm that MSP only accepts Honorable Discharge. It’s also in state law.

Md. Public Safety Art. § 5-306(b)

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I’ve had to give the bad news to a few people who were kicked back by MSP.

That could be an avenue to have the law found unconstitutional

 

[308Scout]

That could be an avenue to have the law found unconstitutional

That might be a stretch, they still have an avenue to a permit - take the 16 hours. Not that I think mandated training is really anything other than an speed bump to a right.

 

[Inigoes]

Maybe

The harder part will be finding plaintiff(s) willing to challenge the law. Other than honorable discharges are infrequent, compared to honorable.

 

[teratos]

Maybe

The harder part will be finding plaintiff(s) willing to challenge the law. Other than honorable discharges are infrequent, compared to honorable.

I’m sure there a more than a few medical discharges out there.

I’m not sure that’s necessary, training requirements need to be attacked head on, as Unconstitutional. If they are willing to take a DD214 instead of 16 hours of training specifically geared toward carrying in Maryland, I think that presents us a great argument. A DD214 in no way prepares you to carry in MD. It has nothing to do with firearms proficiency, and nothing to do with legal knowledge. Maryland is basically saying “the actual training is not important”.
Pandering.

 

[44Dan44]

Maybe

The harder part will be finding plaintiff(s) willing to challenge the law. Other than honorable discharges are infrequent, compared to honorable.

Agree, at that point it's a minor inconvenience and cost to take the class with its associated fees vs the cost of bringing the lawsuit.
As for the merits, no "rights' are being denied, a perk not granted if anything and the path to carry still exists.

 

[44Dan44]

Maryland is basically saying “the actual training is not important”.
Pandering.

Nailed it

 

[Kinetic]

Anyone who doesn’t like what box 24 on their DD214 is showing, or how MSP might think about it, can feel free to take the 16 hour training course.

The training is important. A DD214 exemption isn’t all its cracked up to be.

My 214 has the honorable part in box 9e but it's the 1 NOV. 72 version which some of my fellow old buzzards around here may have.

I'm going to get training as soon as the rush dies down a bit because ,as stated above, a 214 does virtually nothing as far as showcasing MD. law is concerned. I'd hate to have my permit yanked after waiting all these years for it.
(That's if the permit ever shows up.)

 

[6-Pack]

That might be a stretch, they still have an avenue to a permit - take the 16 hours. Not that I think mandated training is really anything other than an speed bump to a right.

Not necessarily. If the argument is that anyone in the military has the requisite safety training (for the kids and all), then your separation conditions from the service do not negate the safety training. The same safety training that makes you safe to handle a firearm to be exempt from the training.

 

[Blaster229]

I'm going to try something different. I'm going retired LEO exemption. I submitted those creds, but I won't attach my 214 and see what happens. One would think simply my MD LEOSA qual done by the state and with their own card, the 214 would mean nothing.

 

[MadCat0911]

I can confirm that MSP only accepts Honorable Discharge. It’s also in state law.

Md. Public Safety Art. § 5-306(b)

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I’ve had to give the bad news to a few people who were kicked back by MSP.

I can confirm that if your DD214 is for medical retirement, it'll say Honorable.

 

[teratos]

I can confirm that if your DD214 is for medical retirement, it'll say Honorable.

Good to know.

 

[somoss]

Are you sure you're not thinking of the Handgun Qualification License (HQL)? The HQL is not a carry permit. It allows regulated firearms to be transferred to you. DNR hunter safety fulfills the HQL training requirement, but does not fulfill the 16 hour course needed for the Wear and Carry Permit.

Yes. You’re correct. I had them mixed up.

 

[somoss]

Good to know.

Didn’t mean to derail this thread with my DD214 question. I just signed up for the two day course but will send in my DD214. Since they asked for it.

 

[teratos]

Didn’t mean to derail this thread with my DD214 question. I just signed up for the two day course but will send in my DD214. Since they asked for it.

It's redundant, they aren't asking for your DD214 unless you want to use it for the training requirement. You are over-thinking.

 

[somoss]

It's redundant, they aren't asking for your DD214 unless you want to use it for the training requirement. You are over-thinking.

Overthinking is kind of my thing

 

[teratos]

Overthinking is kind of my thing

I keep things simple. I'm a simple man.

 

[somoss]

I keep things simple. I'm a simple man.

You’ll live longer and are less likely to piss off the spouse. Appreciated your feedback.

 

[teratos]

You’ll live longer and are less likely to piss off the spouse. Appreciated your feedback.

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[eruby]

My wife was talking to my mom earlier. We are driving my daughter out to Montana .....

I would like to have seen Montana