Hogan Addresses G and S!!!

[eruby]

eruby has a split stream. He'd try, but he'd miss.

And this ^^

 

[Bertfish]

Of course not.

My gefilte fish scented pee might make him stop what he is doing.

Glad you've given it due consideration. Carry on

 

[Stoveman]

Never having applied for a CCW in MD, I did not realize that the application requires one to disclose the name of one's employer and supervisor. Like a couple of other people who have previously posted on this topic on this thread, I am not sure how my employer/supervisor will view me if they get a call from MSP. I can easily give references of friends and family who I know are 2A supporters, but I do not want to take the chance with my employer/supervisor. I obviously do not intend to lie on my application form, so I am going to wait and see if MSP does call employers/supervisors before filing my CCW application. This is a bummer. Very disappointing for me.

Cal68

They aren't going to call your employer, relax.

 

[ras_oscar]

They used incorrect wording. G&S is not suspended

It is eliminated


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Knowing the current administration, if pressed he's probably say he cannot technically eliminate a law, the GA has to do that when the next session starts and that's why he directed MSP to ignore and "suspend" it. I know know, an unconstitutional law was always unconstitutional. Not saying I agree but I can sense how they think.

 

[Inigoes]

I am not getting a warm fuzzy, and smell rotten maryland politics.

There is no executive order from Hogan stating that good and substantial reason is dead, only a press release.

 

[Allen65]

I am not getting a warm fuzzy, and smell rotten maryland politics.

There is no executive order from Hogan stating that good and substantial reason is dead, only a press release.

MSP has issued a bulletin that says they're acting as if it's gone or at least neutered to the point of irrelevance. That's what's important. No standard for what constitutes G&S was defined in Public Safety Article 5-306; it means whatever MSP says it means. Call v Jones eventually drives the final nail in G&S's coffin.

 

[babalou]

Never having applied for a CCW in MD, I did not realize that the application requires one to disclose the name of one's employer and supervisor. Like a couple of other people who have previously posted on this topic on this thread, I am not sure how my employer/supervisor will view me if they get a call from MSP. I can easily give references of friends and family who I know are 2A supporters, but I do not want to take the chance with my employer/supervisor. I obviously do not intend to lie on my application form, so I am going to wait and see if MSP does call employers/supervisors before filing my CCW application. This is a bummer. Very disappointing for me.

Cal68

I am waiting. Eff giving references. The next time I want to protest do I need to take a class, get fingerprinted and get references? uuhhhh I don't think so. 1A- no cost. 2A upwards of $600-$1000.

 

[Allen65]

I am waiting. Eff giving references. The next time I want to protest do I need to take a class, get fingerprinted and get references? uuhhhh I don't think so. 1A- no cost. 2A upwards of $600-$1000.

I'm waiting to see how everything shakes out, too. Maybe my FL nonresident permit will get me MD reciprocity eventually, so I don't have to worry about a MD permit at all. Right now everything is in a state of flux so I don't want to make a $600 investment that might be moot in 6 months.

 

[teratos]

MSP has issued a bulletin that says they're acting as if it's gone or at least neutered to the point of irrelevance. That's what's important. No standard for what constitutes G&S was defined in Public Safety Article 5-306; it means whatever MSP says it means. Call v Jones eventually drives the final nail in G&S's coffin.

This is what they are waiting for. A glimmer of hope in Frosh's stormy skies.

 

[camo556]

I am waiting. Eff giving references. The next time I want to protest do I need to take a class, get fingerprinted and get references? uuhhhh I don't think so. 1A- no cost. 2A upwards of $600-$1000.

I hear what you are saying. But it will take a year or two and another lawsuit minimum to formally remove references. IF anyone has standing to sue. If they continue to require them but never call them, it might make a very difficult lawsuit because no one is getting denied. And if they are smart, that is exactly what they will do to thread the needle - require them on the app but never call them.

I think it will take years to cut the 16 hours and references off the app. What will happen is that NY and CA will get sued first especially over the social media passwords. After the 2nd and 9th circuit lawsuit, then we will have a parallel path forward.

 

[camo556]

I'm waiting to see how everything shakes out, too. Maybe my FL nonresident permit will get me MD reciprocity eventually, so I don't have to worry about a MD permit at all. Right now everything is in a state of flux so I don't want to make a $600 investment that might be moot in 6 months.

All of us will be dead and aquamated, fertilizing organic potatoes, before MD and FL have reciprocity.

 

[light12pdr]

I'm actually thinking a lot about some other people who are no longer with us like Henry Heymering, Don Foster, Phil Lee, and others.

I am with you on this. I knew Henry well and while I wish he was here to see this, I know he has a big smile on his face right now.

Hey Henry! You did it! What you, and others, started years ago has finally succeeded.

 

[Inigoes]

This is what they are waiting for. A glimmer of hope in Frosh's stormy skies.

As with any military operation, it is not good enough to just seize the objective, one must assault through the objective to secure it, before even thinking of regrouping and reorganizing.

The objective has been seized. Now we need to assault through, to make sure we do not get caught with our pants down, while we decide what is next.

 

[cantstop]

Now that G&S is gone, what other basis can be used to deny a CCW license to a lawful citizen?

 

[Allen65]

As with any military operation, it is not good enough to just seize the objective, one must assault through the objective to secure it, before even thinking of regrouping and reorganizing.

The objective has been seized. Now we need to assault through, to make sure we do not get caught with our pants down, while we decide what is next.

This doesn't mean we have to feed and house the Antis as EPWs, does it?

 

[Allen65]

Now that G&S is gone, what other basis can be used to deny a CCW license to a lawful citizen?

Well, the purpose of the references is for a defacto "person of good moral character" determination, which NY is about to get a judicial smackdown for. If MSP determines that, as a result of their investigation, you don't have the temperament to carry, in theory they can still deny under their current standard.

It's blatantly a 14th Amendment violation because you would be denied an enumerated right on a basis of a test not subject to due process of law. In other words, they would be denying you potentially based on hearsay, not something you'd been adjudicated for.

 

[Bertfish]

Now that G&S is gone, what other basis can be used to deny a CCW license to a lawful citizen?

Criminal record. Failure to complete required training or other requirements

 

[FrankZ]

How many references are required?

 

[Sundazes]

How many references are required?

10

 

[camo556]

How many references are required?

lol, not 10. Three. Its on the application.