Latest NY state handgun permit law

[Jim12]

It would not surprise me if NY, MD, CA all are colluding on the end around of the ruling.

It would surprise me if they aren't.

 

[Mark75H]

I've been thinking the same thing. NY seems to be willing to be the test case.

 

[DC-W]

It would not surprise me if NY, MD, CA all are colluding on the end around of the ruling.

State AGs all talk. Politics and power over people, always. Don’t forget special interest groups either. Everytown and Brady coordinate with governments as well.

Look no further than the amicus briefs in these gun cases. Locally, Everytown has hopped into helping Anne Arundel county in MSI’s litigation against them. They’re also involved with shaping policy in Baltimore with the Baltimore Police Department (another reason this city will never see its police defunded). Brady has their attorneys helping Baltimore sue Polymer80 and Hanover Armory.

 

[Allen65]

State AGs all talk. Politics and power over people, always. Don’t forget special interest groups either. Everytown and Brady coordinate with governments as well.

Look no further than the amicus briefs in these gun cases. Locally, Everytown has hopped into helping Anne Arundel county in MSI’s litigation against them. They’re also involved with shaping policy in Baltimore with the Baltimore Police Department (another reason this city will never see its police defunded). Brady has their attorneys helping Baltimore sue Polymer80 and Hanover Armory.

Don't worry about Pittman playing footsie with Everytown. We AACO voters are a surly lot this year and will likely be tossing him out of office this November, at least at long as the GOP doesn't end up with an unelectable candidate from the primary.

 

[Muleskinner]

Amazing . A law intemded not only to effectively end an enumerated constitutional right, but one passed purely as an act of malice against both the prevailing party in a suit against the state and against the court that rendered the judgement. The smackdown will be epic, if not fast, because what the NY Governor and legislature just did are a direct attack on rule of.law and the authority of the Federal judiciary.

There is no smackdown coming.. SCOTUS has no means to force a state to comply if the DOJ refuses to do it.. the current D9J would laugh in the justices face.. there is nothing that can be done .

 

[rbird7282]

There is no smackdown coming.. SCOTUS has no means to force a state to comply if the DOJ refuses to do it.. the current D9J would laugh in the justices face.. there is nothing that can be done .

Then why don’t you get it started? Tired of all the negative “there’s nothing that can be done” crowd.


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[Allen65]

There is no smackdown coming.. SCOTUS has no means to force a state to comply if the DOJ refuses to do it.. the current D9J would laugh in the justices face.. there is nothing that can be done .

Not quite the way it works. SCOTUS doesn't get directly involved in sending people to jail for civil contempt; the lower courts handle that as they issue orders based on SCOTUS guidance. If an individual defied a District or Appellate Court order, the Court would direct the US Marshalls Service, which serves as the enforcement arm of the Federal Judiciary, to take them into custody and hold them until they comply with the Court's direction. The Court can also levy fines for every day the subject fails to comply.

Much as he'd probably like to, Justice Thomas won't be doing a dynamic entry into the NY Governor's Mansion to serve an arrest warrant. Big DoJ normally doesn't get involved in the civil contempt process at all.

 

[Jim12]

Twice as many people are dying from fentanyl overdoses as from gunshot wounds, yet the politicians can't be bothered with fentanyl.

So, is their real concern people dying needlessly, or disarming the populace?

It's obvious.

Believe your non-lyin' eyes.

 

[whistlersmother]

There is no smackdown coming.. SCOTUS has no means to force a state to comply if the DOJ refuses to do it.. the current D9J would laugh in the justices face.. there is nothing that can be done .

Going to the mattresses already (again)?

A mighty maze! But not without a plan.

 

[TheOriginalMexicanBob]

Obama regularly ignored court orders he didn't like and nothing happened to him. Current non-conservative office holders probably believe they can expect the same lack of legal pushback.

 

[Muleskinner]

Obama regularly ignored court orders he didn't like and nothing happened to him. Current non-conservative office holders probably believe they can expect the same lack of legal pushback.

There can't be any push back if no one is willing to push. Joe Biden's DOJ certainly isn't going to do it...and there is no way WE THE PEOPLE are getting off our collective asses..As you have seen here few if any are actually willing to take up arms to defend their rights.

 

[ICW2019]

There can't be any push back if no one is willing to push. Joe Biden's DOJ certainly isn't going to do it...and there is no way WE THE PEOPLE are getting off our collective asses..As you have seen here few if any are actually willing to take up arms to defend their rights.

Why haven't you then? Most of us have families and lives outside 2a. We aren't going to be labeled extremist and nut jobs when theres legit avenues to correct bad political decisions.

 

[Mike OTDP]

New York's bad faith statute is not unlike passing a statute to revoke women's right to vote, or to negate the Fifth Amendment, or to legalize slavery. Aside from their ridiculous unconstitutionality, what blowback would there be to those who do that?

18 United States Code, Section 241: If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or....They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years

There's the answer. Although a case could be made for 18 USC Section 2383: Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Now, will Crooked Dementia Joe act? No. A President Trump might. President DeSantis might. Me? The only question would be whether or not to treat this as a law enforcement issue, or a military issue.

 

[Bob A]

18 United States Code, Section 241: If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or....They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years

There's the answer. Although a case could be made for 18 USC Section 2383: Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Now, will Crooked Dementia Joe act? No. A President Trump might. President DeSantis might. Me? The only question would be whether or not to treat this as a law enforcement issue, or a military issue.

What about if you have multiple personalities?

 

[Jim12]

18 United States Code, Section 241: If two or more persons conspire to injure, oppress, threaten, or intimidate any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District in the free exercise or enjoyment of any right or privilege secured to him by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or because of his having so exercised the same; or....They shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years

There's the answer. Although a case could be made for 18 USC Section 2383: Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

Now, will Crooked Dementia Joe act? No. A President Trump might. President DeSantis might. Me? The only question would be whether or not to treat this as a law enforcement issue, or a military issue.

Pols at all levels across the land do that every day, sometimes multiple times a day.

Instead of defunding the police, we should be defunding the pols.

 

[win296]

Pols at all levels across the land do that every day, sometimes multiple times a day.

Instead of defunding the police, we should be defunding the pols.

The police are Not being defunded. Their budgets have increased since the murder of George Floyd. Biden recently told states to give Covid funding to police.

Biden urges cities to spend Covid relief money on police, crime prevention

New York, Washington and a number of other major cities have reported increases in violent crime since the start of the pandemic.

www.nbcnews.com

The Dem party has nothing but contempt for poor blacks.


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[Crazytrain]

The Supreme Court could declare Maryland Constitutional Carry and half the posters on this forum still wouldn’t carry, they are THAT scared of the police in your state

Yeah, you aren't wrong. No matter how bad crime gets, most people are still more afraid of what the government will do. Because no matter how bad crime gets, the government is still the bigger threat to our safety and liberty. And that is a serious, serious problem that if not corrected at some point may get bad enough that our friend Muleskinner's dream may become a reality.

There can't be any push back if no one is willing to push. Joe Biden's DOJ certainly isn't going to do it...and there is no way WE THE PEOPLE are getting off our collective asses..As you have seen here few if any are actually willing to take up arms to defend their rights.

For a long long time you've been pushing and shaming for folks NOT taking up arms. Yet, as far as I know you haven't become Henry Bowman. Seriously, war is not good. A civil war is going to be worse. This country is becoming more gun friendly year after year. I feel the tide turning and have some hope that other infringements to our liberty will also continue to be corrected. The cartridge box is the LAST box. It will be ugly. And the good guys might not win. The legal method, while slow and frustrating and often times counterproductive, is still the higher percentage road to our freedom.

I don't know you, but given your pushing of everyone to arms, yet not doing anything yourself, I swear you are an agent provocateur, looking to incite some crazy gun people to some crazy act so the country can look on and say "OMG! We've got to get rid of these crazy gun people!"

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[eruby]

Going to the mattresses already (again)?

A mighty maze! But not without a plan.

Peter Clemenza approves

 

[Mr. Ed]

My head hurts from this evolution. Those of us who truly want to abide by the law, who honor the Constitution, and respect the rights of others are struggling to interpret what we can and cannot do to avoid negative legal consequences.

Knowing that WE are not, and have never been a crime problem, it frustrates me that WE are being discriminated against, while the obvious threats to society are being empowered. And I include progressive politicians, Soros-supported prosecutors, criminals, and most of the MSM in that group. What is it going to take for us to return to a fair and just society?

 

[TexDefender]

We said the same thing about Heller. Didn't happen, won't happen. 2nd Circuit is openly hostile towards 2nd Amendment rights and that did not change with Bruen. Fortunately, if you want to carry the answer is easy....move. For Marylanders, you all should understand the 4th circuit could care less about "consistutional muster". In their mind Heller, McDonald, and Bruen are illegitmate excercises in academic philosophy and not Supreme Court precedent that should be taken seriously.

All NYSRPA managed to do was kick the hornet's nest.

So, your saying roll over and play dead? That is how this state got this way. Did you really think individuals like this were going to just roll over? There is a lot wrong with what they passed; the social media account is one of them.