Latest NY state handgun permit law

[Doctor_M]

I forget... what box comes after the jury box?

 

[beavisman1]

I have to admit, I must laugh to keep from crying.

All law abiding, valid permit holders in New York will need to map out unrestricted roads and go looking for businesses that have signs that say, "Permit holders welcome to carry". LOL So, there might be 5 businesses in the state where you can lawfully carry.

 

[win296]

Does the new NY law have carve outs for off duty police and security guards for rich elites ?


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[Doctor_M]

Equal protection... the answer should be no... but you and I both know better.

 

[teratos]

We said the same thing about Heller. Didn't happen, won't happen. 2nd Circuit is openly hostile towards 2nd Amendment rights and that did not change with Bruen. Fortunately, if you want to carry the answer is easy....move. For Marylanders, you all should understand the 4th circuit could care less about "consistutional muster". In their mind Heller, McDonald, and Bruen are illegitmate excercises in academic philosophy and not Supreme Court precedent that should be taken seriously.

All NYSRPA managed to do was kick the hornet's nest.

Heller did what it was supposed to do.

 

[beavisman1]

Does the new NY law have carve outs for off duty police and security guards for rich elites ?


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Yes. Of course it does.

 

[beavisman1]

Heller did what it was supposed to do.

Don't think so, the opinion prohibits outright bans on fireams in common use, yet we see how well that went in the courts.

 

[Threeband]

Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis... "And so the Dialectic proceeds. "

When slavery was abolished, the southern states passed a series of outrageous and ridiculous "Jim Crow" laws to limit the effects of the 13th Amendment as much as possible. It took 100 years and more to end Jim Crow.

We are in a Constitutional crisis, a sort of low-intensity civil war. The "Schoolhouse Rock" version of Civics just does not automatically apply. The Progressives have acted with contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law for at least 120 years, but generally they have kept that contempt hidden from the general view. Those days are over.

Not only New York, but much of the Federal Government has contempt for the Constitution and the Supreme Court. The DoJ, the DoD, the Congress have spoken defiantly against the Constitution. Constitutionalists continue to be purged from the FBI, from the military, and from other departments and branches of the government, as well as from private corporations.

I don't think this is going to go smoothly. This crisis will continue to escalate. If the Constitutionalists don't get control of the government by the end of the year, then we may not have a hope.

We are in a crisis even more dire than that of 1860. That one was more straightforward, I think, and it was largely regional.

The America of the 1980s is gone forever, no matter what. We have multiple generations now with no concept of Constitutional principles. The future belongs to the rising generations, and they simply have no clue about what has been taken from them.

 

[Doctor_M]

Thesis, Antithesis, Synthesis... "And so the Dialectic proceeds. "

When slavery was abolished, the southern states passed a series of outrageous and ridiculous "Jim Crow" laws to limit the effects of the 13th Amendment as much as possible. It took 100 years and more to end Jim Crow.

We are in a Constitutional crisis, a sort of low-intensity civil war. The "Schoolhouse Rock" version on Civics just does not automatically apply. The Progressives have acted with contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law for at least 120 years, but generally they have kept that contempt hidden from the general view. Those days are over.

Not only New York, but much of the Federal Government has contempt for the Constitution and the Supreme Court. The DoJ, the DoD, the Congress have spoken defiantly against the Constitution. Constitutionalists continue to be purged from the FBI, from the military, and from other departments and branches of the government, as well as from private corporations.

I don't think this is going to go smoothly. This crisis will continue to escalate. If the Constitutionalists don't get control of the government by the end of the year, then we may not have a hope.

We are in a crisis even more dire than that of 1860. That one was more straightforward, I think, and it was largely regional.

The America of the 1980s is gone forever, no matter what. We have multiple generations now with no concept of Constitutional principles. The future belongs to the rising generations, and they simply have no clue about what has been taken from them.

Insert slow clap here.

Well said, my friend. Well said.

 

[welder516]

Thier hatred is epic , but really what do you expect. The way it is you won’t be able to carry it out of the gun store. 4 more years in the court system.

 

[HaveBlue]

New York will be the new Little Rock Arkansas.

A whole series of easy pickings test cases served up right next to their public comments regarding their specific goal.

Pass the popcorn.

 

[Lmo]

If SCOTUS is sufficiently incensed, they might assert original jurisdiction to take the case early in the next term and issue an immediate opinion.

One can only hope ...

 

[teratos]

If SCOTUS is sufficiently incensed, they might assert original jurisdiction to take the case early in the next term and issue an immediate opinion.

One can only hope ...

If they can, I bet they do. SCOTUS issued a firm opinion, and NY took the list of things not to do and put it all in a bill. It’s defiance.

 

[camo556]

New York got Bruen because they pissed off the court a year before and mooted a case at the last second.

Passing a law inside a week with no rationale other than to stick their thumb in the eye of the court won't go over much better. It will take some time, but this will backfire just as badly.

 

[teratos]

New York got Bruen because they pissed off the court a year before and mooted a case at the last second.

Passing a law inside a week with no rationale other than to stick their thumb in the eye of the court won't go over much better. It will take some time, but this will backfire just as badly.

The worst SCOTUS can do is to declare Constitutional Carry the law of the land. 1/2 the country already is.

 

[camo556]

The worst SCOTUS can do is to declare Constitutional Carry the law of the land. 1/2 the country already is.

ok by me.

 

[teratos]

ok by me.

Yep. Declare “shall issue” Unconstitutional because the observed abuse to curtail the exercise of a right puts an undue burden on the right itself. That would make me giggle.

 

[Threeband]

Thought experiment:

Elements within the FBI, in consultation with other actors and authorities, engineer a tragic event which removes Thomas from this Sublunary World. He is quickly replaced by a Biden/Obama/Soros nominee. Bruen is rapidly overturned. Dobbs is overturned even more quickly...

Note: I chose my words carefully, hoping my post would fly under the radar of NSA surveillance. In this Brave New World, we all censor ourselves. Like I said, we aren't going back to the 1980s.

 

[Allen65]

Thought experiment:

Elements within the FBI, in consultation with other actors and authorities, engineer a tragic event which removes Thomas from this Sublunary World. He is quickly replaced by a Biden/Obama/Soros nominee. Bruen is rapidly overturned. Dobbs is overturned even more quickly...

Note: I chose my words carefully, hoping my post would fly under the radar of NSA surveillance. In this Brave New World, we all censor ourselves. Like I said, we aren't going back to the 1980s.

Bruen was 6-3. It would have to be a two-fer.

 

[Threeband]

Bruen was 6-3. It would have to be a two-fer.

I was assuming they could engineer entirely new suits, as Brown etc. overturned Plessy etc. I think they have enough motivation and unscrupulousness to do anything they're of a mind to do, quicker than you can say, "Woodrow Wilson."

But if it would simplify things, I'm sure a Tragic Event could overtake the Handmaiden, too.


These People are not going to allow the niceties of Law or Rules to defeat them. They pay lip service to Law, Regulation, and the Constitution when it furthers their cause, but that's it. (Meanwhile, as Alinsky counseled, they demand their opponents follow all laws scrupulously.) They care only about Power, and while they prefer to wear a mask of legality, they will drop that mask if necessary.

They will do anything to achieve their goals, and they will let nothing stop them.

They were unable to remove Trump before January of 21, but they did largely isolate and neuter him. I believe if he had been re-elected, he might have had his own Dealy Plaza moment....