Maryland CCW Application via MDSP Portal

[BurkeM]

I'm going to get shit on from some (not all) of the instructors here, I still believe that between the HQL training requirements and the Utah class, I have learned everything that should be required for a MD W&C. I don't need nor will I sit through 16 hours of remedial training of handgun basics followed by time fillers of example scenarios, anecdotes, personal experiences, whatever. I'd be willing to take a reasonable exam with upon passing would waive the bulk of the classroom portion. I have no problem with the live fire requirements, but I shouldn't need more than an hour at most of range time for it. I'll take an advanced pistol course if I feel like I need hours of range instruction. For a completely new shooter, sure, the current 16 hour requirement is great. Handgun safety rules, the whole "this is the grip" basic stuff, how to choose a weapon, cleaning & maintenance, holster and concealment, and more time on the range learning technique.

Before you go worrying about Yosemite Brute going out in public strapped, it's highly unlikely I'm going to attempt to get a permit anytime soon. I just strongly feel that the requirements have way less to do with teaching competence than just being yet another obstacle.

IMHO, the standard 16 hour training requirement was set by someone in the General Assembly as a class for citizens who had ZERO handgun knowledge, skills, experience or marksmanship skills.

MSP requires it for one reason- it’s required by law.

There is another, more useful alternative. Take the NRA Basic Pistol Instructor course, or the USCCA instructor class. Become listed as an MSP QHIC and you achieve two objectives. 1) you become training exempt and 2) you become qualified to TEACH the 16 hr HGP course.

Qualified Handgun Instructor

An official website of the State of Maryland.

mdsp.maryland.gov

 

[Allen65]

I wouldn’t be surprised to “reasonably” delay the process that what NY and CA are doing would happen here as far as their new “good moral character” and personal interview with county law enforcement and leaving it up to their discretion. Doesn’t follow bruen but there seems to be no care for any SC decision, god forbid a data doxx in MD too

I see what NY and CA are doing is similar to what my 9 year old does occasionally when told it's bed time. If she doesn't want to, she yells, stamps her feet, but usually calms down and complies with the Court of Mommy and Daddy when we start listing things we'll be taking away in punishment not only for not going to bed, but for throwing the tantrum. NY is already in a full tantrum, and CA seems to be building up to one.

As for doxxing, I stopped worrying about that long ago, my personal data has been compromised so many times. Plus, when I testify against bad gun control bills in MGA committee hearings, my full name becomes part of the online public record. I'm pro 2A, and if someone doesn't like me for it, that's their problem. I'm semi-retired, don't play around on social media, and my friends already know who I am. I'm cancel-proof. And if someone is stupid enough to target me for a home invasion, if 90lbs of angry dog doesn't change their mind about entering, it's owner will.

 

[BurkeM]

Why do they need my finger prints?

Because the MGA said so in the statute. When they were writing the FSA in 2013, they (the sponsors) admitted that fingerprinting applicants was intended to intimidate citizens.

 

[BurkeM]

Marylands HQL is in borrowed time. I cannot believe that:
A.) you guys need a license to actually buy a handgun
B.) then you actually need to register it with the state police so they know what you have (I think only 6 states have registration)

Both of those things are blatantly unconstitutional. The HQL is definitely going to go bye bye soon enough……handgun registration will be a biggie to remove, hopefully it can be done.

Here’s the insanity -

Citizens must undergo a background check (after taking 4 hours of training, firing ONE round “to demonstrate proficiency with a handgun”), submitting fingerprints and a $50 fee to obtain a “Handgun Qualification License” (HQL) that typically takes 14-30 days to obtain- after submitting the application.

15 minutes AFTER obtaining the HQL and going to an FFL to buy a handgun, the citizen must complete ANOTHER application for another background check, and pay another $10.

MSP then conducts another complete background investigation.

The citizen Must then wait 7-8 full days (waiting period) before receiving a “Not Disapproved” email from MSP.

This means the citizens must wait 37-45 days from taking the mandatory training to purchase and receive a handgun.

——

It gets better-

To buy a second handgun, one must wait 30 days before applying for another background check for a second purchase.

And wait another 7 days.

 

[jeffgall295]

Here’s the insanity -

Citizens must undergo a background check (after taking 4 hours of training, firing ONE round “to demonstrate proficiency with a handgun”), submitting fingerprints and a $50 fee to obtain a “Handgun Qualification License” (HQL) that typically takes 14-30 days to obtain- after submitting the application.

15 minutes AFTER obtaining the HQL and going to an FFL to buy a handgun, the citizen must complete ANOTHER application for another background check, and pay another $10.

MSP then conducts another complete background investigation.

The citizen Must then wait 7-8 full days (waiting period) before receiving a “Not Disapproved” email from MSP.

This means the citizens must wait 37-45 days from taking the mandatory training to purchase and receive a handgun.

——

It gets better-

To buy a second handgun, one must wait 30 days before applying for another background check for a second purchase.

And wait another 7 days.

The 30 day is easily done away with if u apply for designated gun collector. Which is free if I’m not mistaken.


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[JPG]

Here’s the insanity -

Citizens must undergo a background check (after taking 4 hours of training, firing ONE round “to demonstrate proficiency with a handgun”), submitting fingerprints and a $50 fee to obtain a “Handgun Qualification License” (HQL) that typically takes 14-30 days to obtain- after submitting the application.

15 minutes AFTER obtaining the HQL and going to an FFL to buy a handgun, the citizen must complete ANOTHER application for another background check, and pay another $10.

MSP then conducts another complete background investigation.

The citizen Must then wait 7-8 full days (waiting period) before receiving a “Not Disapproved” email from MSP.

This means the citizens must wait 37-45 days from taking the mandatory training to purchase and receive a handgun.

——

It gets better-

To buy a second handgun, one must wait 30 days before applying for another background check for a second purchase.

And wait another 7 days.

Don't forget once you get the CCW you still have to wait the 7 days. You are allowed to walk around with a pistol on your hip but still have to wait to buy another.

 

[BurkeM]

Can someone clarify 2 points for me:

1. Do the references have to be MD residents?

2. What is the expiration on the livescan prints? IE, can I get them done this week and then sit on the application for a bit to see if they drop the references?

1: No. they could live in Bangkok, Berlin or Bogota. You must provide their names, mailing address, phone numbers and email addresses.

2: Livescan expires at 30 days.

I can’t foresee any circumstances where the entire application form will be rewritten and “references” eliminated in 29 days. Litigation to achieve that end may take a few years.

IMHO.

 

[BurkeM]

The 30 day is easily done away with if u apply for designated gun collector. Which is free if I’m not mistaken.


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Yes, one may apply for the collector letter (no charge) after taking delivery of the first regulated firearm. (Never mind the half dozen Mosin’s, Mausers and Enfields that may have been in your safe for years).

 

[BurkeM]

Will any of these places do a NICS screen on you to be sure you are not a prohibited person?

What places? Instructors? No, civilian instructors can’t access NICS.

That can only be done by an FFL during the purchase of a firearm, after filling out the 4473.

 

[BurkeM]

Does anyone know whether a current HQL can be substituted for the training course ?

No.

 

[BurkeM]

I was told if you have your DC or VA ccw, that training time can be used toward MD

You can, if-

The instructor is recognized by MSP and has a QHIC or QHIL number that’s unexpired.

The class was 16 hours or more.

The instructor conducted the MD specific qualification course and provided you with a signed MSP Form 29-14 dated less than 2 years ago.

 

[BurkeM]

Do I have to be a MD resident to apply? I am moving there in August for school and would like to get this process started ASAP since I'll be living in Baltimore.

Also, what's the turnaround time from class/training complete until the approve your application?

1: No.

2: from the day you submit the complete application (with training documentation, livescan fingerprint receipt, photo, $75 payment) the State has up to 90 days to conduct the investigation and decide on your case. Shortest case I’ve heard of was 14 days. Average (before NYSRPA) was probably about 6-8 weeks.

You MUST take the class from an MSP approved instructor, unless you have a DD 214 or are a graduate of a law enforcement academy.

 

[BurkeM]

I'm doing my first renewal (current expires in October). Do I fill application out like its the first time I'm applying for a license? Providing references, business info, etc?

Yes.

You’ll need another 8 hour refresher class, qualify again, provide a new photo, and pay $50. No fingerprints for renewal, but you must complete the entire application

 

[BurkeM]

So who has received their HGP under this new shall issue stance then?

NOBODY.

The decision was only issued 7 days ago.
MSP is quietly working away, processing applications that were filed in January, February, March, April, and May.

Anyone who filed in the last 7 days is at the far back of the line, and the line gets longer every day.

 

[BurkeM]

Thank you. Have you used them? Funny that they are not in the MD page list.

FTS is run by good people, quality instructors and a good (but small) FFL.

They are on the livescan provider list.

 

[BurkeM]

At what point are they following orders they know to be illegal.

What orders would be illegal? MSP is following the law as written and passed by the General Assembly back in 2013.

Wouldn't Frosh have to take into account that the issuing Agency is a Law Enforcement Agency?

No. Frosh doesn’t have to do ANYTHING. His term of office expires in January.

Is there some kind of accreditation that MSP has to maintain?

No.

 

[BurkeM]

Exactly. What federal agency gets involved to crack heads when the local cops go rogue? US Marshals? FBI?

Federal agencies have no authority over state government.

Let me know if you’re aware of any federal law that MSP is violating. Cite the specific statute.

They are obeying and enforcing the National Firearms Act of 1934, the Gun Control Act of 1968, the Brady Bill of 1993.

 

[Allen65]

Federal agencies have no authority over state government.

The Federal Government absolutely does have authority over state government employees and officials who violate Federal laws. There have thousands of convictions of state officials nationwide over the years for acts conducted under color of state law like wire fraud, civil rights violations, conspiracy, bank fraud, criminal contempt of court, and the list goes on.

 

[Lalez]

What orders would be illegal? MSP is following the law as written and passed by the General Assembly back in 2013.


No. Frosh doesn’t have to do ANYTHING. His term of office expires in January.


No.

The Maryland State police are enforcing an unconstitutional Federal Law (US Constitutional matter) by still having G&S listed as a requirement. That requirement is unconstitutional. Whatever the low IQ MGA passed in 2013 is moot.

The Law is the 2nd Amendment of the US Constitution, which right now it seems about 46 states are in compliance.

HI, MD and NY are going to give us all Constitutional Carry soon enough

With that said however:

Commies are not willingly going to stop being Commies……all of this is headed for some serious shit. The Commies just don’t realize how bad they are outnumbered yet

 

[jeffgall295]

The Federal Government absolutely does have authority over state government employees and officials who violate Federal laws. There have thousands of convictions of state officials nationwide over the years for acts conducted under color of state law like wire fraud, civil rights violations, conspiracy, bank fraud, criminal contempt of court, and the list goes on.

He said agencies like epa and atf that’s what the recent ruling was.


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