Post 6/23/2022 MD Wear & Carry Permit Application

[Oldline6]

I don't see why an HQL wouldn't suffice. It is "Shall Issue," according to the majority opinion.

 

[Applehd]

Follow the money...

 

[Oldline6]

There's that...But that majority opinion leaves little wiggle room...

 

[SigNerd]

So who has had their application go from submitted to accepted so far? I found someone on Twitter who has had his "accepted" using nothing but Bruen as his G&S (he confirmed with screenshots). We both submitted on Friday.

He did include a letter as an attachment for G&S which just further explained that G&S isn't required anymore due to Bruen. I didn't include any attachment at all for G&S justification (I submitted Friday before MSI came out with specific guidance). I suspect that was the deciding factor, perhaps an automated system involved giving a checkmark for whoever clicked accept.

 

[BurkeM]

I submitted my renewal the day before the ruling came out. I listed as #1 personal protection and #2 as business owner for my reasons. It will be interesting to see how this all plays out? As of today it just says submitted.

Expect an interview in the next 20-40 days, and to be treated as a businessman.

 

[Oldline6]

It would be nice if the AG could actually communicate...I hope he doesn't have any political ambitions after this latest fiasco...

 

[BurkeM]

So who has had their application go from submitted to accepted so far? I found someone on Twitter who has had his "accepted" using nothing but Bruen as his G&S (he confirmed with screenshots). We both submitted on Friday.

He did include a letter as an attachment for G&S which just further explained that G&S isn't required anymore due to Bruen. I didn't include any attachment at all for G&S justification (I submitted Friday before MSI came out with specific guidance). I suspect that was the deciding factor, perhaps an automated system involved giving a checkmark for whoever clicked accept.

Accepted merely means the basics were present. (Livescan, photo, fee, attachment for training.)

Applications that are missing any of the above are placed in shortage or “hold” category for 72 hrs.

 

[SigNerd]

Accepted merely means the basics were present. (Livescan, photo, fee, attachment for training.)

Applications that are missing any of the above are placed in shortage or “hold” category for 72 hrs.

Are they automatically accepted at that point or do they send a request for more info? Or just reject and force reapplication? No worries if you don't know the answer, but you seem knowledgeable on it, so figured I'd ask.

 

[BurkeM]

I don't see why an HQL wouldn't suffice. It is "Shall Issue," according to the majority opinion.

Because you need the 16 hour training PLUS the qualification score.

 

[BurkeM]

Are they automatically accepted at that point or do they send a request for more info? Or just reject and force reapplication? No worries if you don't know the answer, but you seem knowledgeable on it, so figured I'd ask.

I’ve walked lots of people through the process since the portal opened. They only cancel (not reject) applications if one of the elements is missing {livescan receipt, photo, payment, scorecard (29-14) or other training documentation, naturalization papers, employment letter (SG/PD applicants)}

The question on whether your “reason” is adequate is raised AFTER the initial background checks and not before. That discussion is explored during the interview with the assigned investigator.

That’s when MSP may ask for additional information, supporting documents, bank statements, police reports, restraining orders, etc., etc.

IMHO, it will be 20-45 days before one of the applications listing NYSRPA as the sole justification for the application is reviewed by an investigator.

I could do wrong- this is entirely new territory we’re entering.

 

[Oldline6]

Yeah, I don't need to do all that to speak on political matters up in Annapolis, or go to church...

That's BS...

 

[Oldline6]

"The second amendment is not a second class enumerated Right..."
Paraphrase of Justice Clarence Thomas.

They'll learn...

 

[SigNerd]

I’ve walked lots of people through the process since the portal opened. They only cancel (not reject) applications if one of the elements is missing {livescan receipt, photo, payment, scorecard (29-14) or other training documentation, naturalization papers, employment letter (SG/PD applicants)}

The question on whether your “reason” is adequate is raised AFTER the initial background checks and not before. That discussion is explored during the interview with the assigned investigator.

That’s when MSP may ask for additional information, supporting documents, bank statements, police reports, restraining orders, etc., etc.

IMHO, it will be 20-45 days before one of the applications listing NYSRPA as the sole justification for the application is reviewed by an investigator.

I could do wrong- this is entirely new territory we’re entering.

Ok, great, thanks. Yep, the only thing "missing" in my paperwork was the G&S supporting documentation, so I'll stop worrying until there's a flood of people saying they're on "accepted" while I'm still sitting at "submitted".

 

[Oldline6]

I do not see why it is not Constitutional carry until Frosh wakes up and comes up with whatever scheme he wants...

 

[Oldline6]

We are citizens, not subjects...Why do we have to ask the King's permission?

 

[BUFF7MM]

Because you need the 16 hour training PLUS the qualification score.

Not really, training exempt need not have the 16 hours and qualifying score.

 

[Occam]

I do not see why it is not Constitutional carry until Frosh wakes up and comes up with whatever scheme he wants...

Because the ruling explicitly allows other aspects shall-issue permitting schemes to stand (some may fall later, under separate litigation). So just that one feature of the current MD scheme is on the chopping block. That's it, for now. Presumably it takes a little time to re-plumb the process they use to collect the applications (that's being generous - NJ has already modified theirs, I believe - at least the public-facing part of it). In the meantime, as MSI has guided: every single thing about applying for a MD W&C stays the same (training, prints, all of it) other than what you say when they ask for your reason to carry (citing Bruen, and saying "self defense" is the guidance). Frosh will have to do something. But it will take longer to chase around the court to spank him over being slow than it will be to drum our fingers for a bit longer and wait it out. Or, just get your class, prints, and application done, and submit it per MSI's guidance, which will likely work just fine.

 

[Oldline6]

I "Qualified" Expert at Ft Leonard Wood back when the earth's crust was still cooling...

This is absurd...
I used to oversee trainees at the range, and try to help them with their remedial training...
We should not be supplicants to the old days that trod all over us.
We are no more second class citizen than the second amendment being a second class right.

I think we should stand up on our hind paws and claim what is ours.

 

[Oldline6]

Occam, already did it with my DD-214 for the HQL...They have my prints on file, more than once. US Army took care of that too...

 

[Oldline6]

They have pictures to choke on, Drivers License, HQL, photos a plenty...