Will the New York ruling ever take place in MD?

[teratos]

If Frosh were to read the CCW related threads on this board, he’d smile and then decide to do nothing.

I’d love to see that. Frosh would be in a world of hurt. I’d strap on a gun and carry everywhere.

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[pcfixer]

Also called “unrestricted” or “permitless” carry, constitutional carry means that a permit is not required to carry a concealed firearm.
Some states have laws explicitly written. Others may merely imply constitutional carry; there are no laws against concealed carrying without a permit.

 

[tourrider]

Has King Hogan addressed this? I see he announced that Maryland will remain a sanctuary for infanticide


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[Fox123]

He is in campaign mode and thinks if he keeps his turtle head tucked in his shell then it will all pass by

 

[Worsley]

I’d love to see that. Frosh would be in a world of hurt. I’d strap on a gun and carry everywhere.

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I agree - but so many folks on here seem to have given up allready. Even before we get started.

 

[rbird7282]

He is in campaign mode and thinks if he keeps his turtle head tucked in his shell then it will all pass by

Campaign mode……..ROFLMFAO


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[Brute]

Campaign mode……..ROFLMFAO

Imagine seeing straw poll results where "Someone Else" gets 1% of the vote and wondering how much, if any, of that is for you.

 

[CaptChaos]

I agree - but so many folks on here seem to have given up allready. Even before we get started.

Lest we not forget Woollard, which seemed to be a sure thing at the time as well. I find Frosh's lack of comment other than blatant disregard for SCOTUS, even after the likes of NJ and CA dropped G&S, concerning, despite the fact that this time should be a safer bet.

 

[Worsley]

Lest we not forget Woollard, which seemed to be a sure thing at the time as well. I find Frosh's lack of comment other than blatant disregard for SCOTUS, even after the likes of NJ and CA dropped G&S, concerning, despite the fact that this time should be a safer bet.

No disagreement there, but so many defeatist on here, quite surprising really.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

That seems like a very contradictory statement, if you don't feel it's necessary, why would you "certainly be carrying"? Do you suddenly no longer feel a 1000 lumen flashlight and Pepper Gel are enough?

Not picking on your message, OMCHamlin.

BUT as I witnessed in the video last week of how a veteran officer on a routine traffic stop of a youth who ran a stop sign. In a split second, an attacker pulled up beside him in a car, hopped out with a hatchet and that officer returned deadly fire before the perp could close the few foot distance.

In all of a few seconds, the cop was verifying insurance to suddenly defending himself out of nowhere. Glad he had more than just a flashlight and pepper spray.

 

[Allen65]

Lest we not forget Woollard, which seemed to be a sure thing at the time as well. I find Frosh's lack of comment other than blatant disregard for SCOTUS, even after the likes of NJ and CA dropped G&S, concerning, despite the fact that this time should be a safer bet.

I'll play Devil's Advocte on that. G&S is stake-through-its-heart dead, buried, and rotted away. Gone. And Frosh knows he can't resuscitate it. He could have taken the quick way out like NJ and CA, and just said "Okay, we just sever G&S and everything else in the process remains untouched." But he didn't, or at least hasn't yet.

Frosh isn't stupid, he's obsessively dogmatic and knows how to wield his office's power to maximal effect. I think he's looking at it more strategically, as in "What will we likely lose as unconstitutional if the whole scheme gets to court?", and will have MSP sever those from the process, too, in order to moot MSI's Call case and avoid losing more. Then he will help his replacement plot what to do in the next MDGA session to regain some or all the control the State has lost with the catastrophic destruction of the G&S regime.

 

[kshaw]

Attached is the schedule for Eric Call v. Woodrow Jones III case before the 4th Circuit CA. Looks like an August 3 hearing date. Hopefully, there can be an enforcement order at that time if Hogan decides not to step up and resolve this matter beforehand.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

I’d love to see that. Frosh would be in a world of hurt. I’d strap on a gun and carry everywhere.

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Doc. As much as we would like to be rid of Frosh, I will add a message I am sure we all would agree to. If Frosh found himself in a life threatening event by evil intending individual or groups, we armed citizens would indeed defend his life and not just sit by and wait till a social worker shows up.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

Until such an event occurs, he is however our enemy in our cause for freedom in America and in Marylandistan.

The sooner we are rid of the of him and his minions and puppeteers, and bad laws, the better.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

Merry-Land will fight this to the bitter end. Just like law breakers don't care about the law,
the fascist Politicians don't care about the Constitution.

WHADDAYA GONNA DO ABOUT IT FELLA??????? HUH? HUH?

They will not roll over.

In other words, they will be wanting our " Will Not Comply" T Shirts?

 

[smokey]

I'm doing the training and submitting my application this week. If it's denied after I've done my due process, I'm just going to be carrying everywhere without a permit. If the state refuses to accept the SCs decision smacking down g&s, we should all just not comply with their unconstitutional infringements. It should make for LOTS of easily winnable 2a cases against this government.

 

[Cold Steel]

It sure will. You can count on every Democrat run jurisdiction to either ignore the ruling or put in place any and all impediments to your exercising of your rights.

This fight isn't over...it's just entered a new phase. As Churchill said after the Battle of Britain...

"Now this is not the end. It is not even the beginning of the end. But it is, perhaps, the end of the beginning."

This is definitely going to impact Maryland's policy on restricting gun owners carry permits. If you want a concealed carry permit, you should fill out the requisite forms and submit them. According to the SCOTUS decision, Maryland (and other states) cannot willfully deny your application based on a criteria of special need.

As the law now states, you can be denied your CCW if you fail to show “good and substantial reason,” an almost impossible-to-meet criteria since leftist bureaucrats get to decide what is good and substantial, such as carrying large sums of money. And it wasn't uncommon for CCW permits to stipulate that once you deposited the said sums of cash, that you had to immediately unload and secure your firearm.

In other words, your CCW was severely curtailed.





Another good and substantial reason is a threat to your safety and well being. This also is difficult to establish because one has to document the threat. In short, unless you have a typewritten letter from the mob threatening your life and signed in blue ink by Michael Corleone, it can be rejected.

Now, thanks to the idiots who thought they could take this to the Supreme Court and win, we were handed this victory on a silver platter. Now they've gone on record by predicting death and destruction on a massive level because they think law abiding citizens with guns is the problem. Now, if you put in for a CCW and are turned down, you can sue the state for wrongful rejection. So Maryland now has to decide whether to grant your application, or reject it, go to court and risk losing all control over the process.

In other words, Maryland loses either way. But since most people can't afford the legal path, it will be up to the NRA and/or another constitutionalist organization to fund it. And if Maryland goes the third route and charges exhorbitant fees for a CCW application, the argument will have to be made that a jurisdiction cannot charge excessive fees for an inalienable right! For example, what kind of fee can be levied on exercising the First Amendment?




California has spent considerable time and money buying guns from its residents with no effect on crime or violence. Alcohol is involved in 50 percent of all murders and suicides (regardless of the means), yet the state has yet to sponsor any booze buy-backs.

It will be a fascinating year. If for nothing more than to listen to these people trying to convince the public that they understand the Constitution. For example, we've already seen that they have no clue about the difference between assumed rights and enumerated rights. Abortion, whether you're for it or against it, is not enumerated, or even hinted at, in the Constitution. Thus, by definition it’s a state matter per the Tenth Amendment. The right to keep and bear arms, OTOH, is enumerated in the Second Amendment, making it a federal issue, which is how it was decided by SCOTUS.

People like Nancy Pelosi, with law degrees, have tried to make it sound as though SCOTUS was being inconsistent by making the keeping and bearing of arms a federal matter, while abortion was seen as a state issue.

So is anyone planning to put in for their Maryland CCW?

 

[Glaron]

I'll play Devil's Advocte on that. G&S is stake-through-its-heart dead, buried, and rotted away. Gone. And Frosh knows he can't resuscitate it. He could have taken the quick way out like NJ and CA, and just said "Okay, we just sever G&S and everything else in the process remains untouched." But he didn't, or at least hasn't yet.

Frosh isn't stupid, he's obsessively dogmatic and knows how to wield his office's power to maximal effect. I think he's looking at it more strategically, as in "What will we likely lose as unconstitutional if the whole scheme gets to court?", and will have MSP sever those from the process, too, in order to moot MSI's Call case and avoid losing more. Then he will help his replacement plot what to do in the next MDGA session to regain some or all the control the State has lost with the catastrophic destruction of the G&S regime.

yeah,

But to be defeatist, I did move to Virginia. You think Frosh cares about you? He will fight using every tax payer dime he can use.
I find this is a problem overall. Politicians pay nothing for unconstitutional stands. Until that changes we will have these problems. Say, found guilty of violating constitution. Barred for life from being in political office.

 

[ICW2019]

I agree - but so many folks on here seem to have given up allready. Even before we get started.

I have my 16hr course on July 9 and will apply my application after that. I've sat around this state long enough waiting for this day we all need to submit apps if you can spare the money.

 

[Allen65]

yeah,

But to be defeatist, I did move to Virginia. You think Frosh cares about you? He will fight using every tax payer dime he can use.
I find this is a problem overall. Politicians pay nothing for unconstitutional stands. Until that changes we will have these problems. Say, found guilty of violating constitution. Barred for life from being in political office.

Frosh is retiring at the end of this year. So he can afford to burn things down on the way out because there aren't any career consequences for him. Not that there ever really were, in this single-party state.