Patriot Picket Civil Rights Suit FILED!

[rbird7282]

Lets throw out some real things hear to show why people feel this way.

IN 2005 I worked at Citi Group in Baltimore City. One morning on my way to work I got pulled over for slowing down at an intersection that has a stop sign the other way that people are known to run. I was arrested and my car impounded for "Intent to buy Narchotics. Of course the charges were dropped because well how to do you prove that. Cost me a days work and almost my job and $300 to get my car back.
Another time I was pulled over. A cop tried to plant a gun in my car. When he realized he was on camera suddenly he was joking even though I had cuffs on.
2 other times they tried planting drugs in my car. Again they saw camera's and suddenly they were joking.
1 time I got pulled over for a tail light out. It was a K9. He walked the dog around the car. It was my mothers car that had her epi pen in it. He confiscated the epi pen and charge me with possession which was dropped in court.
Another I was following a cop no lights or anything. He was doing 15 mph over. Suddenly he pulled in the shoulder and came back out behind me and pulled me over. Proceeded to try to hold me fgor an hour to wait for a K-9. No reason other than he wanted too. He about shit himself when I informed him he could not hold me for any time longer than reasonable for the stop for a K-9 SCOTUS ruled that to be 20 minutes. I informed him. He didnt care. Then I got a lawyer on the phone he about shit himself and couldnt get me out of there fast enough with only a warning.
Another time on Dulany Vally. I literally drove 500 feet from where I worked. I got pulled over. 2 other cops showed up too. Cop said he was behind my the last 2 miles and I was swerving. This conversation went on for 10 minutes out of the car and he was pissed I wouldnt let him search my car. You know right to be secure and privacy and all. He was very surprised when I called ******** and asked him what the judge would think of my badge scan records that would prove he was obviously lieing. Suddenly again a warning and I was on my way.

So with this tell me why should I assume when pulled over the cops is a nice guy and means well. This is why everyone is cautious with police. We can choose our doctor. We can choose our lawyer. However we cant choose our officer. While respectful I dont answer questions not pertaining to the stop. I dont chit chat. I dont consent to searches. None of that. Take care of the reason you stopped me and I will be on my way. If given a ticket and not a warning eithier I was guilty and pay it or I will see you in court. Ill sign for receipt of the ticket if needed and be on my way. I have many many more interactions like this I can tell you about if you like but I am tired of typing.
Not all cops are good. Most are but some get off on ruining your life. So always CYA

You’ve been pulled over more than myself and all of my friends combined. WTH?


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[KingClown]

You have it all figured out.
Have a nice day.

So what I am hearing is your not gonna address what the police did so you can keep your blinders on

 

[KingClown]

You’ve been pulled over more than myself and all of my friends combined. WTH?


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Whats the got to do with anything. Did you not read what these cops did. Yup growing up in baltimore is dangerous. You have regular criminals and criminals with a badge and the ones that cover for them

 

[RoadDawg]

So what I am hearing is your not gonna address what the police did so you can keep your blinders on

You’re “hearing” what you want to hear. And it isn’t what I wrote. So, further exchange is hopeless. I’m not the one wearing blinders.

Drive safe.

 

[KingClown]

You’re “hearing” what you want to hear. And it isn’t what I wrote. So, further exchange is hopeless. I’m not the one wearing blinders.

Drive safe.

All you wrote was it must be my fault because and you cherry picked one while ignoring all the crimes they all commited. All the rights they violated.
If a cop is speeding 15 over he needs his lights on. Otherwise I have to assume my speedo is off because cops never break the law right.
Your refusing to address each incident there. You are only cherry picking one where you can try to lay blame on me and refuse to even aknowledge all the shit the criminals with a badge did.
You must like people not trusting cops because this is how you make them not trust cops.

Try not to violate to many peoples rights and liberties.

 

[RoadDawg]

All you wrote was it must be my fault because and you cherry picked one while ignoring all the crimes they all commited. All the rights they violated.
If a cop is speeding 15 over he needs his lights on. Otherwise I have to assume my speedo is off because cops never break the law right.
Your refusing to address each incident there. You are only cherry picking one where you can try to lay blame on me and refuse to even aknowledge all the shit the criminals with a badge did.
You must like people not trusting cops because this is how you make them not trust cops.

Try not to violate to many peoples rights and liberties.

Wrong again. Keep trying.

 

[KingClown]

Wrong again. Keep trying.

Ok so please show me where you addressed what the criminals errr um cops with badges did.

Your cognitive dissonance is strong. Might a suggest an appoint or two with Jordan Peterson.

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

While I have not read every post on every page, I am at least familiar with if not friends and brothers with the Hulberts and a few other members here who have posted.

I don't want to go into a huge debate about cops vs citizens, doctors vs lawyers vs patients etc. However, I would like to add to the topic at hand with my"experiences with cops that I have had in my 58 years on the planet and 42 years of motor vehicle operation.

For round figures, let me say I have been stopped or in a vehicle when it was stopped at least 10+ times in my lifetime. Never had any contraband or anything illegal to land me in jail or anything. On 3-4 occasions, the cop had reason to stop me. At least 2 were for exceeding the speed limit. I got tickets for these. 3 other stops were for equipment failures which prompted cops to check. Once around 2009 I had 0 tail lights lit while on beltway at between 3 AM and 6ish AM. Freak thing, both bulbs blown while my buddy and I were working overnight to meet a deadline. I asked if he wanted me to fix it right there on 695 while he had me there. He said to drive home with flashers on and gave me a repair warning/ticket.

Other times I have been stopped have all been at night. These happened where cops considered that I may have been drunk. Each time I apparently had crossed the center line and thus warranted checking me out. There was no alcohol involved here ever. If anything there was likely a few contributing causes. One was mere fatigue. Two, the glare of their tail lights caused difficulty seeing the road, and third, my OLD truck had wonky steering, and one time I used cruise control to keep me under the posted speed, but of course the car reacts and steers differently than normal foot on gas/brake operation. Thankfully each time, the cop could see I was sober, and was merely trying to get home, or get to mom's home, etc.

Other than these incidents, I have been stopped for registration issues. The most recent was when I hadn't driven the truck for a year or so, and got a failure to get emissions test suspension. I called the MVA and VEIP to ask if I needed any special papers or anything when I finally took the truck to VEIP station in Westminster. I completed the test and went across the street to get gas. After fueling up and while waiting for the traffic light to turn green, a Carroll County Sheriff got behind me and apparently ran my tag. Once the light turned green and completed my left turn onto the main road, he pulled me over. HAHA I explained how I would not have even been there had I not had to go to emissions which I had just passed. He verified my paperwork and then asked, " hey what year is my truck?" He then said, " you should get Historic tags because your truck is older than 20 and won't need emissions then." HAHA I told him thanks and thanks for understanding as per the test, my truck was legal and technically no longer suspended reg. He even told me his son had had a similar VEIP instance.

I guess despite the possibly scary aftermath of the stops where a cop might have hit me with surprise violations, I have pretty much had reasonable outcomes. However, I will say this does not mean surprises can't happen. My U turn ticket in York PA on my Harley is an example of this happening. Sadly for me, I made a U turn to go back to get gas at a station I had just passed. Sadly, it happened in sight of a cop at the intersection, and sadly, not being familiar with this area, and it being at night, I truly DID NOT SEE the No U Turn Signs and definitely did not break the law knowingly. When the cop did not give me a warning, I was not happy with the surprise that drained my wallet especially when I should have just turned left and gone into the gas station right there instead of the one I passed.


Needless to say, I realize the importance of this lawsuit for the PP and Hulbert's case. Bear with me as I get caught back up to speed.

 

[RoadDawg]

Ok so please show me where you addressed what the criminals errr um cops with badges did.

Your cognitive dissonance is strong. Might a suggest an appoint or two with Jordan Peterson.

Hubris?

Project much?

 

[KingClown]

Hubris?

Project much?

See here you are still ignoring everything I said and trying to cherry pick one thing out of a long list.

So how are you justifying the officer that tried planting a gun on me?
How are you justifying the not one but two that tried planting drugs on me?
How about the one that claimed to follow me for 2 miles when I was 500 feet from the parking lot leaving work?
How about the one that wanted to hold me for the K-9 for 45 minutes to an hour?
How about the one that arrested me for intent to by Narcotics?
And lastly how about the one that tried giving me a charge for an epi-pen?

I can make it any easier than that. If you cant answer them then thank you for showing everyone that your cognitive dissonance is better then people that still support Biden. Dead to rights man just take off the blinders and admit its smart of people to keep cops at arms length because they can and have done stuff like I listed above and you can never know if they are a good cop or a criminal with a badge like the list above. These are not uncommon encounters. Most people can normally list atleast one bad experience with the PoPo.
But you wont you will stick to your rose colored glasses and cognitive dissonance.

 

[KingClown]

Hubris?

Project much?

And what exactly am I projecting? Its definitly not rose colored glasses or cognitive dissonance. If it was anything I would be projecting an abundance of caution for dealing with people that can cost you everything you have worked for and everything you will ever work for.

 

[Blacksmith101]

 

[DC-W]

On a related note to Qualified Immunity, the conservative 5th Circuit really fired a shot at the whole scheme in a recent opinion denying absolute immunity from a prosecutor and detective who fabricated testimonial evidence in a homicide case where the convicted received the death penalty. The ill-gotten murder conviction was reversed in 2016 by Lousiana's Supreme Court. This decision was joined by Trump-appointed Judge Ho, who has previously defended QI, but has recently become more skeptical and critical of immunity. A few excerpts from his dubitante where he casts shade. https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/20/20-30406-CV0.pdf

If Roe is to be struck for being judicially invented, then so too should Qualified Immunity. Government officials have the tallest responsibility to abide by the very laws they enforce and to protect the rights of the citizens they serve as agents of the state.

There's also a cliff notes version in this twitter thread:

 

[RoadDawg]

And what exactly am I projecting? Its definitly not rose colored glasses or cognitive dissonance. If it was anything I would be projecting an abundance of caution for dealing with people that can cost you everything you have worked for and everything you will ever work for.

You apparently want to argue and pontificate on your opinion of cops. Tossing around innuendo and ad hominem as if it is necessary to speak to others. It is not. And the hubris is obvious in your writing. Proud of the fact that you've been stopped SO many times by SO many "bad cops".

Go ahead... What you're telling is more than you think you are telling.

 

[RoadDawg]

On a related note to Qualified Immunity, the conservative 5th Circuit really fired a shot at the whole scheme in a recent opinion denying absolute immunity from a prosecutor and detective who fabricated testimonial evidence in a homicide case where the convicted received the death penalty. The ill-gotten murder conviction was reversed in 2016 by Lousiana's Supreme Court. This decision was joined by Trump-appointed Judge Ho, who has previously defended QI, but has recently become more skeptical and critical of immunity. A few excerpts from his dubitante where he casts shade. https://www.ca5.uscourts.gov/opinions/pub/20/20-30406-CV0.pdf

If Roe is to be struck for being judicially invented, then so too should Qualified Immunity. Government officials have the tallest responsibility to abide by the very laws they enforce and to protect the rights of the citizens they serve as agents of the state.

There's also a cliff notes version in this twitter thread:

Qualified Immunity already does not exist, when the party so protected commits a criminal offense in the course of their actions on the job. One may not use Qualified Immunity to cover themselves during any criminal act.

 

[gamer_jim]

And what exactly am I projecting? Its definitly not rose colored glasses or cognitive dissonance. If it was anything I would be projecting an abundance of caution for dealing with people that can cost you everything you have worked for and everything you will ever work for.

 

[DC-W]

Qualified Immunity already does not exist, when the party so protected commits a criminal offense in the course of their actions on the job. One may not use Qualified Immunity to cover themselves during any criminal act.

Nope. From Judge Ho:

 

[chilipeppermaniac]

Here you go.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.414130/gov.uscourts.mdd.414130.83.0.pdf

WOW, the last set of documents are awesome and very important and telling that the MSP Lt. governor and Capital police were all playing a game of taking rights away all the time Knowing they had no right to do so.

DC-W, thanks for your posts and the links.

I was reading the STATE's BS and could not comprehend.

Once I got to this link content, it became clearer to me what transpired and what has become of things as a result of the lawmen, MGA, Lt Gov, Frosh, etc.. To see testimony how there was no disturbing the walkways, roadways or business as usual in the gov't, caused by any of the actions of the Hulberts prior to and up to the moment that led to their arrests. To me this is the crux, other than who made the call about " not wanting to be bothered by any of their stuff..." Not only has Md violated our 2nd Amendment rights, but our First as well, even without the question of if filming a law officer is protected or not.

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mdd.414130/gov.uscourts.mdd.414130.83.0.pdf

 

[RoadDawg]

Nope. From Judge Ho:

That is contrary to everything I ever learned in LE work.

So long as a LEO does the job within the parameters of the law... they are protected by Qualified Immunity. However, if the LEO commits a crime... that LEO is no longer under the statutes and is therefore liable for damages.

I will wait to see what happens when that case goes up the Court chain. I expect it will not survive scrutiny.

 

[Bob A]

Qualified Immunity already does not exist, when the party so protected commits a criminal offense in the course of their actions on the job. One may not use Qualified Immunity to cover themselves during any criminal act.

Nevertheless, it is constantly thrown up as a defense, and supported up to the last possible stage of appeal, by those such as our own Brian Frosh, who fights for Sgt Pope's qualified immunity in his arrest and detention of the Hulberts in Annapolis.

It costs years and tens of thousands of dollars to fight something that "does not exist" as you're forced to prove its non-existence.

Our criminal Justice system uses its power often to crush the innocent under the burden of the force of law mis-applied.

Here's an interesting case of civil forfeiture, where sheriff's deputies took $1,100,000 from armorded cars moving legally obtained funds from a licensed marijuana facility in CA. Eventually a judge determined the seizures to be outside the law. Civil forfeiture is a parody and an abuse.

https://reason.com/2022/05/09/sheri...-saying-his-deputies-are-not-highway-robbers/