GULAG MD: Dems Last Gasp

[willtill]

The right has to play the game by the same set of rules the left plays by. Otherwise we are nothing but morally and ethically superior losers. And as we go, so goes the country.

Whatever it takes. At this point.

 

[Foohaus]

Or—hear me out on this—we could have congressional districts that fairly represent actual regions/counties/etc, let people vote, and have self-determination and representative democracy.

If somebody is fine with “their” side doing something but not with the ”other” side doing something, I’d argue that selfishness is their main ethos, not a belief that we all have the right to Liberty and self-determination in our elected representatives.

Partisan gerrymanders disenfranchise voters, and that should make everyone mad regardless of who those disenfranchised Americans may vote for.

 

[Bob A]

Partisan gerrymanders disenfranchise voters, and that should make everyone mad regardless of who those disenfranchised Americans may vote for.

2/3 of MD voters like what the Dems are doing. They are True Believers at the altar of Marxism/Leninism, though some might deny it. They know what's good for you, and are making it mandatory.

"Fairness" is a concept out of favor in this state, though the Left believes in "equity" which has become another word for racism.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Even if you ascribe to the " everybody does it " concept , more usually it is a degree of semi plausibly tinkering around the edges .

The worst offenders are generally Dems .

Maryland was already the worst in the country before this , turning a legitimate 60 ish % into 80% . Now , it will become essentially 100% .

 

[Foohaus]

Even if you ascribe to the " everybody does it " concept , more usually it is a degree of semi plausibly tinkering around the edges .

The worst offenders are generally Dems .

Maryland was already the worst in the country before this , turning a legitimate 60 ish % into 80% . Now , it will become essentially 100% .

I get that you *think* it’s true that this is asymmetric partisan shenanigans by Democrats and that it is “tinkering” at the margins, but respectfully, you are misinformed on both points.

Go look at the proposed congressional districts in Texas—a state that is basically the inverse of MD, 55/45 R/D split—that is designed specifically to turn several previously competitive districts into safe Republican seats. Texas is as “red” as California is “blue” and has the exact same corrupt districting designed to disproportionately give the majority party more seats and disenfranchise the minority party.

Both parties do the same stuff, to the same degree, and it’s all bad.

 

[85MikeTPI]

I see all the commie site trolls have stopped putting digits at the end of their usernames..

 

[Biggfoot44]

Maryland is Not a 55/45 split . Legitimately it is more 65/35 . Already the legitimate spread is doubled . The new Gerrymandering will bring non Dem representaton to near Zero .

I'll bite . What's a GOP majority State that has brought Dem representation to ZERO ? Or even brought about a 40 point artificial difference in spread ?

 

[rbird7282]

maybe its just me, but I always felt district lines should always end at a county line. Why because then voting precinct's do not become confusing.

I would tend to agree with that. Other than political reasons, not sure why it’s not done that way. It would get rid of gerrymandering


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[rbird7282]

Pulling this livestream link onto this thread page.

Testimony about the GOOD map has concluded.

Testimony for and AGAINST the corrupt Democrat map continues now for HB1.

Desperate attempts to rationalize (“I feel”) joining Annapolis to the Eastern Shore are astonishing to hear.

Anal-politians who moved to the Eastern Shore to improve their quality of life now want to be tied back to the City. Twilight Zone stuff.

It’s what Democrats do. Pass all kinds of taxes and laws to make it the way they think it should be only to get sick if it and move away. Then they do it all over again at their new location.
Just like a f’ing cancer.


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[rbird7282]

As much as I dislike having to agree with Dread Chief Justice Roberts, he is correct in the SCOTUS opinion. It belongs at the State level.

That said, I am still cheesed that the Governor's gerrymandering committee was tainted by two individuals who turned out to be ineligible. Rather than invalidating their work, the committee just forged ahead after they resigned. Boonch of crap, that was. Pissed me off because I threw my hat into the ring to be on the committee and was not selected over the ineligible clowns. That's when I knew the fix was in.

Besides, the Maryland General Assembly rules with an iron fist inside a cactus glove. They're never going to relinquish power.

But the committee was basically irrelevant from the start, everyone knew (here anyway) that the MGA was going to draw the map however the hell they wanted because nobody could stop them.


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[Foohaus]

I’ll give you two:

Kansas. 31/69 D/R split, carved up to make all 4 congressional districts solid R seats. Previously KS-4 leaned D regularly.

Nebraska. 28/72 D/R split. 3 of 3 solid red. NE-2 used to be competitive.

The worst state gerrymanders arguably aren’t the ones where minority party seats are driven to zero. They’re the ones where the most seats change hands based on diluting votes by how the districts are drawn. It’s called the “efficiency gap” in districting speak. By that standard, NC, PA, lead the charge with +3 R seats each. TX and MI are the next tier at +2 R seats and NY is +2 D.

NC, PA, and TX districts were actually intended to be *even more* heavily partisan gerrymanders, but those were thrown out by courts. The new TX map would be the worst example in the country, with 13 formerly competitive districts sliced up so that 3 are safe D and 10 are safe R.

There are plenty of bad example of D gerrymandering too, MD being one of them.

My point is not that MD’s map (new or old) is fair—it’s not. My point is that both parties do it. It’s not really an opinion; this stuff is all objective, measurable data and there’s an entire body of political science dedicated to it.

Neither party makes a big secret of it either because it’s not illegal.

 

[Allen65]

I’ll give you two:

Kansas. 31/69 D/R split, carved up to make all 4 congressional districts solid R seats. Previously KS-4 leaned D regularly.

Nebraska. 28/72 D/R split. 3 of 3 solid red. NE-2 used to be competitive.

The worst state gerrymanders arguably aren’t the ones where minority party seats are driven to zero. They’re the ones where the most seats change hands based on diluting votes by how the districts are drawn. It’s called the “efficiency gap” in districting speak. By that standard, NC, PA, lead the charge with +3 R seats each. TX and MI are the next tier at +2 R seats and NY is +2 D.

NC, PA, and TX districts were actually intended to be *even more* heavily partisan gerrymanders, but those were thrown out by courts. The new TX map would be the worst example in the country, with 13 formerly competitive districts sliced up so that 3 are safe D and 10 are safe R.

There are plenty of bad example of D gerrymandering too, MD being one of them.

My point is not that MD’s map (new or old) is fair—it’s not. My point is that both parties do it. It’s not really an opinion; this stuff is all objective, measurable data and there’s an entire body of political science dedicated to it.

Neither party makes a big secret of it either because it’s not illegal.

Can't really argue with your points. Two wrongs don't make a right. But we live in MD, not PA, TX, or NC, so we're concerned with what the MDGA is doing. Actually, I guess we might as well worry about other states, because a MD voter has about as much chance of voting out their representative as they have of getting a legislator from another state kicked out of office. In other words, virtually none.

 

[Tungsten]

https://twitter.com/realLizUSA/status/1468672073547587584

Interesting set of videos talking about the election chicanery in Wisconsin.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Kansas State legislature: 29-11 and 84- 41 Overall voter is 44 GOP , Dem and Unaffiliated almost exactly equal to each other , call it 32.5 each . Large numbers of unaffiliated can be a wild card , but in recent years vote mostly GOP .

Actual Democrats are OVER represented in KS Legislature .


Nebraska State Legislature : 32- 17 officially non partisan, and Unicameral since 1937 . Overall voter registration : 70-30 .

Democrat ( identified & leaning) are OVER represented in NE Legislature .

If those two are the worst victims of poor little Demonrats being picked on by mean old GOP , I'm not seeing it .

 

[Foohaus]

The redistricting we’re talking about is for Congressional districts, not state legislative districts.

MD is roughly 2:1 D:R and the General Assembly is almost exactly that same composition. As far as I can tell, the redistricting isn’t changing that.

 

[ChannelCat]

The redistricting we’re talking about is for Congressional districts, not state legislative districts.

MD is roughly 2:1 D:R and the General Assembly is almost exactly that same composition. As far as I can tell, the redistricting isn’t changing that.

Yet, this gerrymandering is a precise calculation designed to disenfranchise the Eastern Shore in much the same fashion that the previous gerrymandering was designed to disenfranchise western Maryland. Why are these libtards in Annapolis doing this? In short, for the same reason a dog licks its balls, because they can...

 

[PowPow]

Why are these libtards in Annapolis doing this? In short, for the same reason a dog licks its balls, because they can...

By extension, we have so many Democrats in Maryland, because they all wanted to be able to lick their own balls or identify as being able to do such?

 

[Doctor_M]

By population, registration ratio, and geography, a representative distribution of MD in congress would be about 2 republicans and 6 democrats.... but the game was fixed to be 1 and 7... now it will be 0 and 8.

 

[Foohaus]

The Rucho and Shelby County cases were real blows to democracy. Everyone should have the right to be a meaningful part of determining who their elected representatives are—in Maryland and elsewhere.

 

[Ponder_MD]

I see all the commie site trolls have stopped putting digits at the end of their usernames..

I've noticed this as well. What is the significance?