NYC CCW case is at SCOTUS!

[press1280]

After listening to everything, I am worried about Barrett and Roberts.

Before I was concerned about Kavanaugh and Roberts. I'm not worried much about Kavanaugh now.

It appeared to me that Barrett is in line with Roberts and that concerns me. I'm thinking it will be a 6-3 very narrow and worthless ruling if Barrett or Roberts writes the majority.

I would rather have a 5-4 win and have Thomas write the majority.

We won't know for a while.

I’m not worried about any of them after that. May issue is finished, put the fork in it. Roberts and Barrett were worried about sensitive places but if you look at NY NJ exc the off limits places are pretty much on par with shall issue states. They can just refer back to Heller on sensitive places and not have to decide the matter.

 

[777GSOTB]

Assuming a positive ruling, it will be interesting to see how this would affect out of state allowance to carry. If it's determined that carry for self defense is constitutionally protected, how could that be limited simply for being in a different state than where you live?

Exactly, and why a permit requirement can't be upon the right. Take Vermont for instance, they do not give out permits and never have. How would that work for them.

 

[delaware_export]

I’d be concerned that robert’s and Barrett would threaten to goto liberals without sensitive spaced conditions.

And go weak if they go pro 2a.

If they went pro2a but weak, the usual culprits will make every square of towns and cities, leaving only open space as available… maybe offering a “special” permit for sensitive spaces…. Another game on the system…

And of course yearly renewals, one year waits for appointments and issuance. High renewal prices and training. Etc

7 months or so… come on June.

 

[MigraineMan]

Turns out the sidewalk in front of SCOTUS isn't a free-speech zone. I was promptly banished to the other side of the street because my flag pole was classified as "a sign" by Officer ByTheBook of the SCOTUS Police, and it was too tall, too large, and made of unapproved materials. Yes, they have their own police force. Since it was just me, Dick Heller, and one gent from MSI ... didn't seem like a hill to die on. Regardless, it was somewhat fortuitous that we set up where we did. The single busload of Mike's Everytown Moms declined to enter enemy territory, and we had ample space to set up an unobstructed display. They even mentioned us during their "rally," which was more like a bad sermon of scripted shills. One speaker would claim "we don't oppose the Second Amendment" and would be promptly followed by one who wanted it abolished.

Had plenty of interviews, too. Was a good day on the bricks.

 

[ToolAA]

We are all worried about Roberts or Barrett, but seriously if Trump hadn’t won we would be be facing 6-3 votes aimed at nullifying the 2nd amendment. We are fortunate to be in this position. I expect that the result of today’s hearing will reinforce our individual rights to bare arms and defend ourselves in more ways that currently possible. That’s a win in my book.

 

[press1280]

Exactly, and why a permit requirement can't be upon the right. Take Vermont for instance, they do not give out permits and never have. How would that work for them.

Roberts actually sounded pretty anti permit today.

The issue isn’t before the court at this point. Maybe later we can get it

 

[rob]

And the reasonable person's next thought could be Central Park as the only greenery that person might see in their daily life.



I liked the mention of mental detectors and guards, transfer it back onto the government or property owner to mitigate the risk before carry can be denied.

Got news for ya. mental detectors aren't going to find anything of value in those liberal cesspools.

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[fidelity]

Turns out the sidewalk in front of SCOTUS isn't a free-speech zone. I was promptly banished to the other side of the street because my flag pole was classified as "a sign" by Officer ByTheBook of the SCOTUS Police, and it was too tall, too large, and made of unapproved materials. Yes, they have their own police force. Since it was just me, Dick Heller, and one gent from MSI ... didn't seem like a hill to die on. Regardless, it was somewhat fortuitous that we set up where we did. The single busload of Mike's Everytown Moms declined to enter enemy territory, and we had ample space to set up an unobstructed display. They even mentioned us during their "rally," which was more like a bad sermon of scripted shills. One speaker would claim "we don't oppose the Second Amendment" and would be promptly followed by one who wanted it abolished.



Had plenty of interviews, too. Was a good day on the bricks.

Thanks for being there and the updates. Total anti playbook (Giffords/Kelly, MDA, etc) for them to say they support the 2A and have fellow travelers that want to ban it.

 

[MigraineMan]

Made the Fox News thumbnail when you search for "Supreme Court".

 

[Allen65]

Total anti playbook (Giffords/Kelly, MDA, etc) for them to say they support the 2A and have fellow travelers that want to ban it.

There's actually no inconsistency in their positions. They believe Heller was incorrectly decided, and therefore 2A is some sort of weird, collective right, not an individual right. So in their minds, the 2A can exist just fine without any private citizens possessing or carrying.

 

[Stoveman]

The best part of the day was being in front of the SCOTUS listening to the oral arguments and hearing the justices refer to the Heller decision while Dick Heller himself was standing right next to me. Surreal.

Good pic of one of our fairer sex PP/MDS members here:

 

[Stoveman]

From the Santa Rosa (CA) Press Democrat of all places.

 

[delaware_export]

Kagan’s sister?

Barbara Dale Underwood

NY Solicitor General

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[teratos]

Assuming a positive ruling, it will be interesting to see how this would affect out of state allowance to carry. If it's determined that carry for self defense is constitutionally protected, how could that be limited simply for being in a different state than where you live?

Exactly, and why a permit requirement can't be upon the right. Take Vermont for instance, they do not give out permits and never have. How would that work for them.

Agree. How can you need a permit to exercise a right? There is no equal!

The best part of the day was being in front of the SCOTUS listening to the oral arguments and hearing the justices refer to the Heller decision while Dick Heller himself was standing right next to me. Surreal.

Good pic of one of our fairer sex PP/MDS members here:

That’s a pretty awesome moment!!

 

[Bertfish]

The best part of the day was being in front of the SCOTUS listening to the oral arguments and hearing the justices refer to the Heller decision while Dick Heller himself was standing right next to me. Surreal.

Good pic of one of our fairer sex PP/MDS members here:

I assumed everyone around here was ugly and in their 50s. What fair maiden be this?

 

[Occam]

That is the charming, fierce, sensible, whimsical, Art-loving knovotny.

 

[Stoveman]

That is the charming, fierce, sensible, whimsical, Art-loving knovotny.

She was also an interview giving machine today. At least four by my count.

 

[lazarus]

I think public transportation is a tough one. Given one of the justices gave the example of a late night worker taking public transportation home late at night. This is exactly the person that needs self protection.


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Oh I agree. But I don’t think that’ll matter to Maryland or some of the other states. I think they’ll take a F around and find out position. They know if they are unlucky the worst that will happen is it’ll take 2-3 years to hit SCOTUS and get struck down. Or it might take 4-8.

I think some state is going to go nuts on banning guns all the places and make SCOTUS enumerate exactly where they see “sensitive places” as being for where they could be banned.

I just hope even if the opinion is fairly water down, which I would see requiring shall issue, but no further expansion, that they will at least enumerate either a test so easy even a legislature or district court could understand on where carry could be restricted, or give SOLID examples that are in effect the same thing.

I am just worried the win will be both narrow, and allow states to easily create defacto bans. Gee great, I can get a permit to carry a gun in my car now, so long as I don’t get near a city. Oh and I could carry it on my person, so long I am on someone else’s private property.

No guns within half a mile or any police station, fire station, school, state or local government building, hospital, bar, night club, church, any large gatherings of more than 2 people. Etc. New Jersey or Hawaii will probably go full stupid. Maryland might not, but I bet one of the counties or Baltimore will. Unless SCOTUS is real clear on knocking that non-sense off.

I agree some sensitive places firearms should be carried. But it is a damned short list, like in to court or prisons.

 

[pilotguy]

It is hard to believe that I read this about what Roberts said today:

But Roberts was still skeptical. No matter what the right is, he responded, “it would be surprising to have it depend upon a permit system. You can say that the right is limited in a particular way, just as First Amendment right are limited, but the idea that you need a license to exercise the right, I think, is unusual in the context of the Bill of Rights.”

Is he arguing against permits?

 

[adit]

Barbara Dale Underwood

NY Solicitor General

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A face only a mother could love.