HPRB Under Attack: Hearings 3/12

[shootin the breeze]

Hogan just vetoed two bills this was not one of them . Maybe soon , i will be over here holding my breath .

Don't hold your breath!! You'll get brain damage before Hogan vetoes a gun bill (unless it states PP is G&S).

 

[danb]

he cant veto a bill that had not even passed yet. The two bills he vetoed the Democrats sent him early, so that they can override while the legislature is still in session.

 

[welder516]

he cant veto a bill that had not even passed yet.

Yeah there is that too


I'm still holding my breath if he evens gives us a reach around as a friendly gesture

 

[danb]

For SB1000 it says that there is a hearing in the house 4/2:

3/27/2019 Hearing 4/02 at 1:00 p.m.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=03&id=sb1000&tab=subject3&ys=2019RS


This actually is really good news.

 

[PowPow]

The committee schedule offers this text, "NOTE: For a cross-filed Senate Bill, only the Sponsor may testify. If the cross-filed Senate Bill differs significantly from the House Bill, the Chairman may allow witnesses in addition to the Sponsor to testify." However, at a minimum the hearing may be attended.

 

[danb]

I want one and only one amendment to this bill: To comply with the constitution, the bill should be amended such that self defense is acceptable as G&S. Before the courts smack Frosh's pee pee - as much as I would like to see that. But I think I am going to get to see it a few times, by the time they get around to shall-issue I will be bored with seeing it.

 

[BeoBill]

he cant veto a bill that had not even passed yet. The two bills he vetoed the Democrats sent him early, so that they can override while the legislature is still in session.

Correct. The two were the $15 Minimum Wage and School Start Before Labor Day, both IMPORTANT (read "union backed") laws.

 

[BeoBill]

I want one and only one amendment to this bill: To comply with the constitution, the bill should be amended such that self defense is acceptable as G&S. Before the courts smack Frosh's pee pee - as much as I would like to see that. But I think I am going to get to see it a few times, by the time they get around to shall-issue I will be bored with seeing it.

By the time they get around to shall-issue I'll be worm food. I hope I'm wrong, but this IS Maryland after all.

 

[PJDiesel]

Correct. The two were the $15 Minimum Wage and School Start Before Labor Day, both IMPORTANT (read "union backed") laws.

I'm not sure the teachers union has as much to do with the school thing. I see it as local systems being able to do what THEY deem best for their students, not the State stepping in and mandating.

 

[danb]

By the time they get around to shall-issue I'll be worm food. I hope I'm wrong, but this IS Maryland after all.

People also said DC would never be shall-issue, or be shall issue after MD, and the Supreme Court would never take another gun case.... MD will be shall issue in the next 2 years.

 

[CrueChief]

People also said DC would never be shall-issue, or be shall issue after MD, and the Supreme Court would never take another gun case.... MD will be shall issue in the next 2 years.

I feel it will be closer to 7-8 years.

 

[danb]

I feel it will be closer to 7-8 years.

It could be as soon as next year, it depends what we get out of the New York State case being heard in Oct. remember: 9th circuit put Young (HI carry case) on hold until NYSRPA vs NYC is heard, meaning they think NYSRPA will implicate carry outside the home.

We have several other bites at the apple as well in NJ carry (response requested, due 4/19) and a few others. I feel almost 100% sure that the MD delegates will live to see their pee-pees and vajajays slapped, before the next election. They are in denial if they think otherwise, Supreme Court has already proven that they will issue some additional 2nd amendment guidance.

Also remember: in Caetano all they did was reject the 3 arguments of the MA supreme Court and say try again. They did not explicitly say stun gun bans were unconstitutional. It was a very limited opinion. Yet, no court has dared to say stun gun bans are constitutional, they have been overturned.

We will get a lot more from NYSRPA next year, which will be a less limited, actual opinion argued on the merits.

This HPRB bill is an absolute joke, they are being fed bad information by a very desperate Frosh eager to preserve some sort of "legacy" from his time in the Senate. Frosh is not winning in the courts outside of the MD ones he gets to pack with cronies.

If I were trying to sabotage this bill, I would do the opposite of what most people here would think to be a good idea: I would actually tighten the G&S to ridiculous NJ type restrictions and make them call the Supreme Court's bluff. A poison pill if you will. But then, I have a lot of confidence in what I see coming out of this Supreme Court. The faster we get there the better.

 

[F5guy]

For SB1000 it says that there is a hearing in the house 4/2:

3/27/2019 Hearing 4/02 at 1:00 p.m.

http://mgaleg.maryland.gov/webmga/frmMain.aspx?pid=billpage&stab=03&id=sb1000&tab=subject3&ys=2019RS


This actually is really good news.

This


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[rbird7282]

People also said DC would never be shall-issue, or be shall issue after MD, and the Supreme Court would never take another gun case.... MD will be shall issue in the next 2 years.

Two years? Not a chance. Will be at least 5 years or more.
There needs to be a solid case already in the pipeline for it to even get to the SC in two years.
Besides, I have almost no faith that the SC will do the right thing. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

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[danb]

Two years? Not a chance. Will be at least 5 years or more.
There needs to be a solid case already in the pipeline for it to even get to the SC in two years.
Besides, I have almost no faith that the SC will do the right thing. I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

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There are many solid cases in the pipeline, among them NJ (which is on appeal to the Supreme Court) and HI (which was put on hold pending NYSRPA).

 

[rbird7282]

There are many solid cases in the pipeline, among them NJ (which is on appeal to the Supreme Court) and HI (which was put on hold pending NYSRPA).

I hope for everyone’s sake you’re right and we do get it within two years


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[Sundazes]

So what happens to the pending HPRB cases that are scheduled? Are folks just SOL and have to appeal to the OAL or circuit court? That is if the board gets canned.

 

[PJDiesel]

So what happens to the pending HPRB cases that are scheduled? Are folks just SOL and have to appeal to the OAL or circuit court? That is if the board gets canned.

Word is we'll be told to start over.

Instead of them acknowledging that we're in process and referring us straight to OAH in the order we're already in....... we get to start totally over.

This is a real dick move on their part, particularly for the guys who were simply seeking modification of restrictions.

 

[CrueChief]

There are many solid cases in the pipeline, among them NJ (which is on appeal to the Supreme Court) and HI (which was put on hold pending NYSRPA).

With all things going on they WILL make us sue them again on the "issue." While I do agree victory is just a matter of time they will have no choice but go the distance next time. They got DC to hold off their appeal but that only put a pause on the inevitable. frosh and the mike's may even make us take them to court to enforce the positive ruling we get.

If they were honest they would have changed the law after DC lost, but................

 

[Mike OTDP]

If they were honest they would have changed the law after DC lost...

If they'd been smart, they would have gone shall-issue years ago and milked it for a revenue stream.