Medical Letter???

[welder516]

I ask a question , how many people are soured to the BS of the process that don't apply ?? The infringements that our state brings down on us in a God given right to protect ourselves . SMH

 

[Brychan]

I was 1 or the 365, I jumped though the hoops and came away poorer thanks to judges who don't understand the constitution. Won't waste the money again, unless G&S is redefined as self defense and by the time that happens I will be lucky if I'm on the right side of the grass.

 

[teratos]

I ask a question , how many people are soured to the BS of the process that don't apply ?? The infringements that our state brings down on us in a God given right to protect ourselves . SMH

I gave up my permit when they made it criminal to carry outside of the vague restrictions. A conviction for a gun crime would ruin my life.

 

[RoadDawg]

No. It's horse shit, is what it is

Well of course it is horse shit. Right up to the point where one realizes that folks kill other folks at an alarming rate with cars while driving under the influence of alcohol and or other drugs which cause them to lose touch with reality.

So... (NOT that I am in anyway touting the means of this State as a proper manner to address this issue. So don’t even think about it in that vein.) How do you propose to keep the Adam Lanzas, et al. of this world from getting medicated and while in their medicated state, deciding it would be cool to steal moms guns, kill her, and go shoot up a school full of children?

Because... so long as the 2A community steps up and calls everything “********” without offering a means to stop or at least slow the folks with mind altering prescription drugs from losing it and becoming the next Gun Control Poster Child... We have a problem which our enemies will address for us and greatly at our disadvantage.

We actually do have a real problem in the current times which did not exist in the 1700s. That being the side effects of modern pharmaceuticals which did not exist then. For those who are on these medications... HOW do we protect their 2A rights... while at the same time... protect the rights of others who must be considered in the overall picture?

Is the law ********?
Is the way MSP is told to enforce and apply the law ********?

That depends greatly on the reason for the law and the policies attached thereto.........

Examples;

• Saving someone from possibly getting caught up in a situation where they are a potential threat to themselves or others... at least WHILE ON CERTAIN MEDICATIONS. = a necessary part of providing domestic tranquillity.

• Using the situation and laws/policies as a 2A infringement = pure ********.

We need to choose our battles and direction for the good of ALL concerned... lest we lose focus on what responsibilities it takes from all... to protect the rights of each individual.

 

[welder516]

I ask a question , how many people are soured to the BS of the process that don't apply ?? The infringements that our state brings down on us in a God given right to protect ourselves . SMH

I gave up my permit when they made it criminal to carry outside of the vague restrictions. A conviction for a gun crime would ruin my life.

The restrictions are there only as an intimidation factor for folks like us , I hate this state maybe one day i may leave .
Sad that we as law abiding citizens have to be subjects of the King , control and power are the only things that excite the liberals .

The restrictions of one officer are different from another and there ls the problem . SMH

 

[ras_oscar]

I think the potential issue here is much wider than presently anticipated. There are many meds with multiple uses. The class of drugs used to treat erectile dysfunction were originally developed to treat heart conditions. I had a friend prescribed an antidepressant to help him quit smoking. I'm sure the list is very long. Does this mean that ANY drug that has EVER been prescribed for a mental health condition will require a doctor's note? And have troopers been trained as pharmacists? How about if the patient's doctor is anti 2A? Can the doctor decline to cooperate in the process in support of their political leanings?

 

[eruby]

The Maryland carry scheme is 100% horseshit, with a side of horseshit, and horseshit for dessert.

While I am happy for anyone who gets to carry, until Dan the ditch digger, and Harry Homeowner (geezer alert) can get to carry, using an application similar to the New Hampshire non-resident app, the Maryland scheme will continue on as horseshit.

 

[welder516]

I think the potential issue here is much wider than presently anticipated. There are many meds with multiple uses. The class of drugs used to treat erectile dysfunction were originally developed to treat heart conditions. I had a friend prescribed an antidepressant to help him quit smoking. I'm sure the list is very long. Does this mean that ANY drug that has EVER been prescribed for a mental health condition will require a doctor's note? And have troopers been trained as pharmacists? How about if the patient's doctor is anti 2A? Can the doctor decline to cooperate in the process in support of their political leanings?

I ask how many officers are on drugs that a Dr. prescribed , how about politicians what drugs are they taking .

If we as peasants are scrutinized how about others that make decisions based on our own good . If you want me to comply how about you or others that is what i would be asking . This is a goose & gander problem .

 

[ironpony]

And this is what the MSP go for people on the fence that don't want to put up with their BS and cave in .

When i first asked 1 question about getting a permit in Maryland many many years ago at a gun shop i was discouraged so much i waited another 10 years before i even applied .
It took a few crimes against my business to get me rolling again , you see i ask the gun shop guy if he could tell me how easy or hard it was to get a permit and his answer was " Are You God " a feeble answer at best and yet this answer came from a so called friendly 2A business .

Very disappointing to say the least , for folks that can apply please do so add to the numbers of law abiding citizens . Don't take no as an answer , somebodies denial could be the crack in the Armour of the state of Maryland which is still a giant shit-hole the liberals run & ruined .

Yes, I caved, thanks for throwing that out there.

I ask a question , how many people are soured to the BS of the process that don't apply ?? The infringements that our state brings down on us in a God given right to protect ourselves . SMH

Given your story in the gun shop and the fact I have heard the same many many times from most everyone in this state I would guess the answer to your question is a very high percentage.

I gave up my permit when they made it criminal to carry outside of the vague restrictions. A conviction for a gun crime would ruin my life.

This.
I could probably make it through the "process" of getting a "business" license but with the fact that the officer on duty gets to decide if I am within "my" work schedule through what ever "process" they use to decide if I my life is worth protecting ... at that exact point in time is, to me, similar to an everlasting "permitting process". At that point the consequences are on a national level, not just a "prohibited person" in MD but in my Country ... because I was working late? I'm not a gambling man.



If one received their permit in the mail and it had restrictions on it could they ever really celebrate the fact they have re-gained 2A rights? I would say no as they are merely given the ability to protect the states ability to collect tax from a more profitable business. At least that is what I take away from reading the HPRB meeting threads for the first two years they have been posted. I don't make fly fishing rods.

 

[shootin the breeze]

I gave up my permit when they made it criminal to carry outside of the vague restrictions. A conviction for a gun crime would ruin my life.

i renewed just before this came to be and I haven't carried since and I'm not renewing my permit for the same reason.

 

[RoadDawg]

I think the potential issue here is much wider than presently anticipated. There are many meds with multiple uses. The class of drugs used to treat erectile dysfunction were originally developed to treat heart conditions. I had a friend prescribed an antidepressant to help him quit smoking. I'm sure the list is very long. Does this mean that ANY drug that has EVER been prescribed for a mental health condition will require a doctor's note? And have troopers been trained as pharmacists? How about if the patient's doctor is anti 2A? Can the doctor decline to cooperate in the process in support of their political leanings?

Any of those drugs which have been found to have mind altering side effects... are going to be looked at on a case by case basis. That is why the person’s doctor is asked for clarification in the matter.

 

[welder516]

For the members that Had or Have permits that are turning them in , i wish you would reconsider because the State will win in the long run if we cave in . I am not saying it does not add stress or planning when carrying but if you do the leg work we can have small victories .

I see the HPRB as a balance or realignment of Citizen vs. State where the power is restored just for awhile . To see the MSP-LD try to justify a system is comical and sad all in one breath .

 

[RoadDawg]

I gave up my permit when they made it criminal to carry outside of the vague restrictions. A conviction for a gun crime would ruin my life.

i renewed just before this came to be and I haven't carried since and I'm not renewing my permit for the same reason.

Guys... just NO...

Even if you never carry a peashooter...
DON’T SURRENDER

Get/keep the permit... carry it with you everywhere.

Every person who is harassed into giving in... is one less person in the number of permitted persons in the state.

And to those who get restricted permits... PLEASE keep and carry them... even if you can’t carry 24/7/365+1.

The enemy LOVES seeing folks give up due to frustration that they cause and promote.

Don’t allow them that pleasure.

 

[welder516]

Guys... just NO...

Even if you never carry a peashooter...
DON’T SURRENDER

Get/keep the permit... carry it with you everywhere.

Every person who is harassed into giving in... is one less person in the number of permitted persons in the state.

And to those who get restricted permits... PLEASE keep and carry them... even if you can’t carry 24/7/365+1.

The enemy LOVES seeing folks give up due to frustration that they cause and promote.

Don’t allow them that pleasure.

Thousand Likes

 

[TexDefender]

So my wife and i are going through the process for our carry permits. The Interview went a littler weird but none the less its done. MSP decided to do use together. A week and a half went by and the MSP called me and said they did not get a list of my wife's meds yet. I found that strange cause i watched her send the email. So i called her to confirm and like i thought she did in fact send the email 20 minutes after the interview. Call MSP back and yes it was in his spam folder. So that held us up. But they said ok everything is good to go....two hours later they call back and say I am good to go But my wife needs a letter from her doctor about just one of her prescriptions. I said ok! Now i talked to my wife and she began to get upset as to why that was necessary and with our business being as busy as it is work 18 hours a day where is she going to have time to go to the doctor and ask for a letter to support her state of mind...i am guessing is what they need. And how to even ask for that? What do you say? Is this something the doctor might be familiar with? At this point she is so stressed out from the process she wants to pull her App. But i am afraid that will look bad and or look bad for me too. So if there is anyone who went thought this...i am requesting some guidance.

They seemed to be raising the "Bar" to jump over. But that is my opinion.

 

[MDFF2008]

This was the same back in 2009 when I was going to apply with my photography business. That was when I met the psychologist who said "I won't write a letter, it's not that I think you are dangerous, I just don't think anyone should have a gun."

 

[Aventus]

No. It's horse shit, is what it is

I’m in agreement with most comments about Maryland’s permit issues. What I’m not in agreement with is opposing the medical screening for prescription drugs.

There are numerous SSRI’s that are clearly linked to suicidal behaviors and violence towards others. Drugs like Prozac, Effexor, Paxil and Luvox can have 10 times the rate of violence. ADHD drugs like Strattera and amphetamines can be just as bad. The anti-smoking medication Chantix has 18 times the rate of psychotic violence. From personal experience being prescribed Ambien for sleep, that medication can be extremely dangerous which is why I stopped taking it.

All these drugs are not a problem for all people but there are significant numbers where it warrants asking questions. The 2nd Amendment never envisioned the problems with prescription drugs and our side needs to recognize the need for some areas of common sense. If you abuse alcohol/illegal drugs or take medications that are problematic for you, I'm sorry but you should NOT carry. Just my 2 pennies. Peace!

 

[PJDiesel]

I gave up my permit when they made it criminal to carry outside of the vague restrictions. A conviction for a gun crime would ruin my life.

This is where I'm heading.

Actually, I expire in less than 3 calendar days, sent my renewal over 80 days ago and haven't hear a fvckn peep from anyone.

"Letter from your Employer"
"Letter from your Doctor"

It's all complete ******** in an effort to deter people from even trying (and it works).

I'm not even going to make contact to beg them for a status update, ef em.

 

[shootin the breeze]

This was the same back in 2009 when I was going to apply with my photography business. That was when I met the psychologist who said "I won't write a letter, it's not that I think you are dangerous, I just don't think anyone should have a gun."

I hope you changed psychologists. What a jackass!

 

[ironpony]

I’m in agreement with most comments about Maryland’s permit issues. What I’m not in agreement with is opposing the medical screening for prescription drugs.

There are numerous SSRI’s that are clearly linked to suicidal behaviors and violence towards others. Drugs like Prozac, Effexor, Paxil and Luvox can have 10 times the rate of violence. ADHD drugs like Strattera and amphetamines can be just as bad. The anti-smoking medication Chantix has 18 times the rate of psychotic violence. From personal experience being prescribed Ambien for sleep, that medication can be extremely dangerous which is why I stopped taking it.

All these drugs are not a problem for all people but there are significant numbers where it warrants asking questions. The 2nd Amendment never envisioned the problems with prescription drugs and our side needs to recognize the need for some areas of common sense. If you abuse alcohol/illegal drugs or take medications that are problematic for you, I'm sorry but you should NOT carry. Just my 2 pennies. Peace!

I read it was a waving of hippa rights and not a drugs screening. You may be correct that not everyone deserves the same rights as others. ?
What are the thoughts on giving up one right for the chance to “buyback” another?