Action Item RE: HB52

[csanc123]

Don't know if anyone has brought this up....but....If this were to ever pass (crossing fingers that it does) could MD still screw us over by only allowing reciprocity for resident permits thereby eliminating our right to carry in-state? (IE one has a non-resident VA permit but MD only recognizes resident permit). Is there a distinction made on the card itself (specifically VA)?

Technically, yes there is. Pragmatically? No. The committee run around is one of the most politically expensive tactics in existence in the General Assembly and Senator Miller has made it clear that he does not want it happening on his watch.

This works both ways for our part, btw.

Ironically, it was Senator Frosh (as I recall) who advocated bypassing his own committee last year over the death penalty repeal. He knew it would never pass a vote in his committee, but because he wanted it repealed he advocated the run around.

Funny how that same concept doesn't apply when we know the civil immunity bill will pass, but he doesn't want it.

 

[Spot77]

Don't know if anyone has brought this up....but....If this were to ever pass (crossing fingers that it does) could MD still screw us over by only allowing reciprocity for resident permits thereby eliminating our right to carry in-state? (IE one has a non-resident VA permit but MD only recognizes resident permit). Is there a distinction made on the card itself (specifically VA)?

Sure, but haven't they already eliminated that right?

 

[csanc123]

Sure, but haven't they already eliminated that right?

True! ..better word would be circumventing.

 

[Norton]

Don't know if anyone has brought this up....but....If this were to ever pass (crossing fingers that it does) could MD still screw us over by only allowing reciprocity for resident permits thereby eliminating our right to carry in-state? (IE one has a non-resident VA permit but MD only recognizes resident permit). Is there a distinction made on the card itself (specifically VA)?

If you mean a MD resident carrying in MD on a VA non-resident permit then the answer is yes, they could limit that. It wouldn't be without precedent as seen in other states. WV and SC are the two that come to mind.

 

[csanc123]

arrgggghhh...that's frustrating as I don't think there's a chance in hell that MD would allow the exact scenario we are longing for with the current proposal...

With that said I still see this as a step forward (at least for our friends in VA).

On another note..hopefully Scotus hands down the 2A bitch slap to the States on Incorporation....

If you mean a MD resident carrying in MD on a VA non-resident permit then the answer is yes, they could limit that. It wouldn't be without precedent as seen in other states. WV and SC are the two that come to mind.

 

[swinokur]

Don't know if anyone has brought this up....but....If this were to ever pass (crossing fingers that it does) could MD still screw us over by only allowing reciprocity for resident permits thereby eliminating our right to carry in-state? (IE one has a non-resident VA permit but MD only recognizes resident permit). Is there a distinction made on the card itself (specifically VA)?

yes, my VA permit says non resident on it. ironically, my FL,UT and NV permits do not

 

[Abacab]

yes, my VA permit says non resident on it. ironically, my FL,UT and NV permits do not

Did you have to get that NV permit in NV? I'm confident that is not a mail-in.

 

[Boondock Saint]

My FL permit doesn't say non-resident. Then again, it does have my home address on it.

 

[swinokur]

Did you have to get that NV permit in NV? I'm confident that is not a mail-in.

Yep. Had to take a CCW class in NV from a NV instructor which included live fire qualification with the exact make model and caliber of pistol you want to carry. They are listed on your license.

I took both my Glocks, borrowed a wheel gun and rented a Kimber 1911 so I have all my weapons on my permit.

What a PIA.

 

[redduck21502]

A bit off topic, but related to the FB statements.

Gary Kulash Del. Smigel -- I am sorry, but deregulating gun laws even further is not going to make the average citizen safer than they already are. The Second Amendment, when written, clearly applied to citizens forming militias and having access to such weapons in those settings.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

We already have the Maryland National Guard. That is our well regulated militia. ...
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Yesterday at 10:34pm

I cannot stand when someone thinks they are clever with the ol' National Guard=Militia comments. If you consider that the Nat'l Guard was not created until much later than the 2nd Amendment, then it is obvious that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with the Nat'l Guard. It is more evident considering the Nat'l Guard is basically a branch of the standing army that the founding fathers did not seem to like having. It says the right of the PEOPLE, not the right of the National Guard. That is the problem with these people, they want to twist the Bill of Rights to suit their corrupt view of Americans rather than read it for what it says.

 

[jonnyl]

A bit off topic, but related to the FB statements.




I cannot stand when someone thinks they are clever with the ol' National Guard=Militia comments. If you consider that the Nat'l Guard was not created until much later than the 2nd Amendment, then it is obvious that the 2nd Amendment has nothing to do with the Nat'l Guard. It is more evident considering the Nat'l Guard is basically a branch of the standing army that the founding fathers did not seem to like having. It says the right of the PEOPLE, not the right of the National Guard. That is the problem with these people, they want to twist the Bill of Rights to suit their corrupt view of Americans rather than read it for what it says.

Yep, tell that same guy that he doesn't have the right to free speech unless he's "petitioning the government for a redress of grievances". Wonder what his reaction would be?

 

[aquaman]

Technically, yes there is. Pragmatically? No. The committee run around is one of the most politically expensive tactics in existence in the General Assembly and Senator Miller has made it clear that he does not want it happening on his watch.

This works both ways for our part, btw.

Ironically, it was Senator Frosh (as I recall) who advocated bypassing his own committee last year over the death penalty repeal. He knew it would never pass a vote in his committee, but because he wanted it repealed he advocated the run around.

Funny how that same concept doesn't apply when we know the civil immunity bill will pass, but he doesn't want it.

So basically we are still where were at last year, with Frosh blocking everything.

 

[Norton]

So basically we are still where were at last year, with Frosh blocking everything.

With regards to this bill, the answer would be "no" because it hasn't even been voted on in the House.

 

[strube]

From the facebook page, Susan K. McComas said

HB52 was heard in my committee (Judiciary) yesterday. As usual, the sponsor and supporters were closely questioned by the usual suspects whose criminal defense lawyer careers make them much more sympathetic to the accused than to the victims. Reciprocity for gun carry seems to be a big problem for them as they are concerned that people would go to another state and get a license there and then be allowed to carry in this state. Today we will hear a bill about reciprocity for out of state same sex marriage licenses. Seems that their concerns about going out of state and getting a license that then must be recognized here is OK for this issue but not for guns.

The chairman of the committee Joe Vallerio is facing a stiff challenge from a former policeman in the Democratic primary. it remains to be seen whether in this election year he will let this bill out of the committee. Under other circumstances he would not.

 

[pilotguy]

What did you offer for it if you don't mind? I was about to put in an offer as well, not looking to get into a bid war on it so I won't bid. If you need a place to put it, let me know, I've got plenty of server space.

I made the minimum bid of $60.00. They countered with $5,000. My response was "Can't respond to your counter offer right now, laughing too hard. Good luck!"

 

[Falkus]

Because of this Bill, I am in the process of Getting my VA Non Residence Permit which I just need to get my fingerprints done.

I already have the Florida Permit but wanna play safe on this one once it pass

Then we can show them that its not the "WILD WEST" as they are thinking ..

 

[Nanook]

Or even better, have them research for themselves the actual number of 'murders' in the "Wild West". It was surprisingly low. Amazing how when everybody knows what guns can do (many/most were vets of the Civil War), just about everybody has at least one, that they don't get used unless really needed. There may have been the occasional showdown, but those were actually pretty rare - which is why they were talked about and the stories got circulated about who was faster than so-and-so.

 

[ToneGrail]

With regards to this bill, the answer would be "no" because it hasn't even been voted on in the House.

Yeah, but if it actually does pass the House, it still has to go to the Senate, where dickwad Frosh will desk drawer veto it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Norton]

Yeah, but if it actually does pass the House, it still has to go to the Senate, where dickwad Frosh will desk drawer veto it. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Remains to be seen, but we have no choice but to proceed to our fullest abilities. The alternative is to do nothing, which is unacceptable....at least to me.

 

[aquaman]

Well I'll keep this emails and letters going hopefully they will be scared this year due to NJ,VA and MA losses. This could be our year