HB1302-"The Neighborhood Bag Lady Can Take Your Guns" bill

[pcfixer]

Wouldn't it be something if Hogan used the line, "They voted for it, before they voted against it".

Total BS. I'm a retired soldier and everyone who takes an oath should know this.!! We Have a Moral Responsibility to Disobey Unjust Laws or orders.

http://freshlightsource.com/believers/whentodisobeyauthority.html

I will not dishonor myself or family.

 

[j_h_smith]

There's a huge point to telling them something about it now. Let them know that their "yes" vote on this is costing them votes in the fall. Elections have consequences, but the actions of the elected have to have consequences too, and this is how we show them.



The Senate version was adopted by the house. The "any interested person" bit is gone, but any law enforcement officer can file one of these. If your neighbor goes to the cops and said "Joe threatened me and he has guns and I'm scared," then a cop can write out a petition and file it with a court commissioner (basically a clerk) without even going to a judge and get the initial emergency order written and signed. It's outrageous.

Wouldn't that be considered hearsay unless that neighbor swears out a complaint? A police officer can't act on someone else's fear unless the officer witnesses the crime.

IANAPO

 

[eruby]

Nothing about this bill being a problem for him. Enough Republican votes were cast in favor of this trash that Hogan can comfortably hide behind "bipartisanship" and sign it.

Even if every R voted against it, there is no way Hogan will veto this.

Pope eruby I is a greater likely hood.


I was proud to stand with the PP yesterday, though I needed four showers to get the stench off of me.

 

[Derek]

Even if every R voted against it, there is no way Hogan will veto this.

Pope eruby I is a greater likely hood.


I was proud to stand with the PP yesterday, though I needed four showers to get the stench off of me.


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That's a great picture!

 

[danb]

Hogan has good political cover to veto the bump stock ban, the ATF is already doing it. MD law is a waste of time and resources.

This one is more problematic. "Hogan vetoed a bill that would prevent mentally ill people from having guns." Set aside the fact that he already said he'd sign it many times, even in its more problematic forms. I don't think he has an out on this one.

Look on the bright side, its better than this "I like taking the guns early, take the guns first, go through due process second": https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716589/trump-take-guns-first-due-process-second That is our buddy Trump there.

 

[Derek]

And Adolph Oliver Bush, Not_an_outlaw -- Good to meet you brothers!

 

[SCV/SAR Patriot]

Even if every R voted against it, there is no way Hogan will veto this.

Pope eruby I is a greater likely hood.


I was proud to stand with the PP yesterday, though I needed four showers to get the stench off of me.


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You're too kind!

 

[44man]

Total BS. I'm a retired soldier and everyone who takes an oath should know this.!! We Have a Moral Responsibility to Disobey Unjust Laws or orders.

http://freshlightsource.com/believers/whentodisobeyauthority.html

I will not dishonor myself or family.

oaths mean a lot to those with morals but apparently our reps cant be bothered with such things as oaths and morals.

 

[frogman68]

It was great to stand with Patriots. I waited till this morning to email the Governor asking him to veto this. After being up 24 hours I didnt trust myself. I would post what I sent him but since this is in the open i dont want to give the commies any ammunition.

 

[NoMoreTreadingOnUs]

All I've heard on BAL this morning is praise for the MGA for acting in such a bipartisan manner this year. Hogan said it was "the best ever". No way he vetoes this.

That said, I think if he wants to, he could do so on due process grounds and get away with it in the eyes of the voters. He could commend the GA for their "good intentions" but insist that they try again next year, with necessary due process protections added to the bill.

 

[racer79]

Hasn't Mike Miller threatened people here with having more guns than they?

Now those who have lived in fear can find recourse on October 1st

 

[clandestine]

Wouldn't that be considered hearsay unless that neighbor swears out a complaint? A police officer can't act on someone else's fear unless the officer witnesses the crime.

IANAPO

Depends on who makes the complaint.

If YOU were to tell a Maryland LEO that a Gun Owning acquaintance was a danger, they would ignore/dismiss you.

If a female made the same statement, they take their complaints as gospel.

 

[lazarus]

Wouldn't that be considered hearsay unless that neighbor swears out a complaint? A police officer can't act on someone else's fear unless the officer witnesses the crime.

IANAPO

Yes. On the “Neighbor complaint”, it likely is going to take more than just a neighbor complaining to the police. Now that happening and an officer speaking to the individual who has the accusations leveled against them who makes threats, is yelling and acting irrational, etc...well that might be sufficient for an officer to get an order then.

A pattern of behavior could also do it. “We’ve gotten 4 phone calls in the last month about the Neighbor acting threatening and the Neighbor has been belligerent towards officers in speaking with him” also would likely stand in good steed in court.

The law will be abused. No doubt about it. It also likely is going to sweep up some trash in the process, even if said trash wasn’t necessarily going to be the next mass shooter.

Example from Washington state (this is the one Palin was blogging about while glossing over every detail of what the guy’s history is) https://www.seattletimes.com/seattl...belltown-under-extreme-risk-protection-order/

 

[Schipperke]

Hogan has good political cover to veto the bump stock ban, the ATF is already doing it. MD law is a waste of time and resources.

This one is more problematic. "Hogan vetoed a bill that would prevent mentally ill people from having guns." Set aside the fact that he already said he'd sign it many times, even in its more problematic forms. I don't think he has an out on this one.

Look on the bright side, its better than this "I like taking the guns early, take the guns first, go through due process second": https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716589/trump-take-guns-first-due-process-second That is our buddy Trump there.

Hogan will be proud Maryland's law includes Hellfire triggers binaries and GATS.
Careful mentioning Trump is on board with Red Flag. Somehow that is not relevant and has nothing to do with emboldening our Maryland Democrats.
Considering how Hogan feels about anything Trump supports, that could be a good point to prompt him to veto.

 

[j_h_smith]

Depends on who makes the complaint.

If YOU were to tell a Maryland LEO that a Gun Owning acquaintance was a danger, they would ignore/dismiss you.

If a female made the same statement, they take their complaints as gospel.

But they still can't act on the words of any person without witnessing the crime. The person must swear out a complaint before a peace officer can act. If the officer didn't witness the violation, then they can't act.

My head hurts dealing with the stupid Bill, there are so many holes in it, it should have never made it through judicial review, but this is Maryland, so we don't need no judicial review.

 

[Dogmeat]

Depends on who makes the complaint.

If YOU were to tell a Maryland LEO that a Gun Owning acquaintance was a danger, they would ignore/dismiss you.

If a female made the same statement, they take their complaints as gospel.

Be careful there. It sound's like you are assuming he/she/it's gender!

 

[DC-W]

Just a reminder that law enforcement already has plenty of authority to investigate and intervene against those exhibiting certain behaviors here in MD.
Couple examples:
https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/...l-Shooting-Bombing-in-Maryland-417189033.html

https://www.courtlistener.com/opinion/1025190/mora-v-city-of-gaithersburg-md/

It's all contingent on government bureaucrats doing their jobs -- something law enforcement, the school system, the State, and the FBI didn't do in Florida.

 

[1ceman]

Hogan will be proud Maryland's law includes Hellfire triggers binaries and GATS.
Careful mentioning Trump is on board with Red Flag. Somehow that is not relevant and has nothing to do with emboldening our Maryland Democrats.
Considering how Hogan feels about anything Trump supports, that could be a good point to prompt him to veto.

Very Ironic since Trump somewhat got to feel first hand yesterday how it feels to have his rights violated as his lawyers doors were locked in. I want to ask him personally "How does it feel?"

 

[danb]

Hogan will be proud Maryland's law includes Hellfire triggers binaries and GATS.

That bill is about bump stocks. That's my story and I am sticking to it. ATF banned them and made people destroy them. Most people have never heard of these other things, they have been used in 0 crimes anywhere. Strictly speaking, we dont yet know with 100% certainty that those other things are not covered by the new rules. I think Hogan could safely veto that bill and stick to a simple story. He could always volunteer to revisit it next year when ATF rules are final. I agree, I would not get hopes up though.

 

[Jim12]

Hogan has good political cover to veto the bump stock ban, the ATF is already doing it. MD law is a waste of time and resources.

This one is more problematic. "Hogan vetoed a bill that would prevent mentally ill people from having guns." Set aside the fact that he already said he'd sign it many times, even in its more problematic forms. I don't think he has an out on this one.

Look on the bright side, its better than this "I like taking the guns early, take the guns first, go through due process second": https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4716589/trump-take-guns-first-due-process-second That is our buddy Trump there.

Hogan needs to be educated on the issue so he's well versed enough to understand and explain in simple, non-legalistic terms why it needs to be vetoed.

Then, when he vetoes it, he needs to do it publicly at a press conference, flanked by the Republican members of the MGA who led the fight against it and who can explain the civil rights threats it presents to law abiding people. Everyone needs to understand that it's more of a threat to freedom than a safety measure, as passed by the MGA. He can turn this lemon into lemonade if it's done right.

I hope the best versed members of the MGA are working to educate him on this Bill's pitfalls, starting this morning.

Maybe people should still be e-mailing legislators, encouraging them to contact Gov. Hogan on our behalf.

He needs to avoid falling into the trap of defending it because other states have "similar" laws. "Similar" is not "the same." This is our state, and it's our legislature's version. Each state's law is different, and most haven't been tested in court. Moreover, the last-minute battle over its terms between our own MD Senate and House highlights the fact that they're all different, with unique provisions.