Mobile 1 and STP oil additives

[Blaster229]

Lets you buy 1,000 more rounds of ammo.

Now your turn.

What does CLP do that Mobil 1 won't? (Other than giving you personal peace of mind)

Use butter. IDGAF. But to say something is better than something someone who has 100's of thousands of rounds under his belt without zero issues is ridiculous. Unless we are now in a science metallurgy forum. Then cool.

 

[Combloc]

I LOVE butter on my English muffins!

 

[outrider58]

I use Paslode cordless tool cleaner instead of brake cleaner(though brake cleaner is great for removing sabot residue from barrels). It degreases yet is plastic safe.

A little clarification FWIW: The only time I use this degreser is when the action of a firearm(.22 semi-autos in particular) gets so dirty and gunked up that the internal springs an pins slow down or begin to fail all together and a good flushing out is needed. Otherwise, clean rags and swabs and fresh oil(engine oil on/in my ARs and gun oil on most other lesser used firearms).

 

[clandestine]

And I've fired an ungodly amount of rounds over the course of a career through 3 different pistols and used CLP or militec. Not sure what motor oil would have done that the crap I've used didn't. And SEAL teams who used CLP in combat. Someone needs to explain what the real world benefit is to use motor oil.
What does it do for a 500 round a year shooter that CLP won't do?

You just need to use something.

Yes something is better than nothing.

Miltec is just a really poor lube and awful protectant. Ever try to pull the barrel nut on an AR that has been treated with Miltec? I cleaned it off of many guns at the shop that choked on it.

CLP does nothing well, it's an all in one product. It does not stay put and it burns off or evaporates.

Motor Oil performs like the expensive gun lubes such as Slip and Lucas. It's a cost savings measure that does not allow accelerated wear or induce malfunctions.

I don't know what your deal is but I think you just want to argue. You never brought up this argument when you sat in my AR class or when I gave your 1911 a reliability job, or built your AR.

 

[Magnumite]

I'll give you a few weeks to produce evidence that gun lubes are formulated differently to perform in guns.

You take the same weeks to find manufacturer statements they weren’t. Post your results, I’ll post mine.

 

[Alea Jacta Est]

KY on my gun...


Happiness is a warm, well lubed gun. That's the only way to holster them.

 

[Casey39r]

And I've fired an ungodly amount of rounds over the course of a career through 3 different pistols and used CLP or militec. Not sure what motor oil would have done that the crap I've used didn't. And SEAL teams who used CLP in combat. Someone needs to explain what the real world benefit is to use motor oil.
What does it do for a 500 round a year shooter that CLP won't do?

You just need to use something.

500 rounds a year? With that little ammo, you don’t need any lube for your weapons.

The Military issues you weapons and you never have to buy them when they wear out. In my over twenty years of active duty service, I’ve seen a lot of worn out weapon just in training alone using CLP. From my experience I will not use CLP because it does not hold up to prolonged use, heat and friction but I will continue to use it if someone would buy me weapons when they wear out. I am now retired and I buy my own weapon out of my pocket and I will use the best product for machinery. If there is a NASA engineered lube oil out there that has been proven to work then I will use it. I would use the M1 Tank engine oil but it is not available to the public. Everyone seems to use CLP because the Military uses it but let us not forget that the Military buys from the lowest bidder and the vendor that make CLP is one of them.

 

[clandestine]

FWIW to those looking on, wear to a firearm is not always seen with the human eye. To fully understand what lubricants and cleaning products do to a firearm one needs to use gauges and tools that allow one to do a proper inspection. Things like a Bore Scope, Headspace Gauges, Extractor Gauges, Firing Pin Protrusion Gauges, Throat and Muzzle Erosion Gauges, Bore Straightness Gauges, Calipers/Micrometers, Pin Gauges, and Spring Gauges. I have these things and have used them tens of thousands of times.

Lubricants and Solvents may appear to do a good job but they may be incompatible with the materials or finish off your firearm, may cause or allow corrosion or reactions, or allow etching.

To say CLP is great because the Military uses it is a very oversimplified statement. The military issues sectioned steel cleaning rods and bronze brushes too, but there are better cleaning impliments available.

Use what you want, but try to understand the application for certain products. Many gun products are snake oil in a bottle or tube looking to dupe people into buying it.

I don't sell gun solvents or motor oil. I just try everything I can and share what has worked for me in a professional environment. Don't like my advice, ignore it, but if you attempt to insult me, you will fail. I'll respond in my defense.

Any lube is better than no lube, but many lubes dont do what they claim or don't stay put. If you don't want to use motor oil, consider Slip2000 or Lucas Gun Oil. I can afford any of them but I still use Motor Oil.

 

[outrider58]

KY on my gun...


Happiness is a warm, well lubed gun. That's the only way to holster them.

This will last longer and your gun won't get sticky after shooting...

 

[Blaster229]

I say it's great because I never had a fcking issue with agency pistols or my own. Now, if someone is worried about wearing down their safe queen, then get the silky motor oil. It's best for the skin.

 

[Casey39r]

I say it's great because I never had a fcking issue with agency pistols or my own. Now, if someone is worried about wearing down their safe queen, then get the silky motor oil. It's best for the skin.

Most small arms collectors have a lot of safe queens, it’s almost impossible to shoot all of the equally and some have not seen the range in many years but we do have favorites and are used all the time.

 

[clandestine]

I say it's great because I never had a fcking issue with agency pistols or my own. Now, if someone is worried about wearing down their safe queen, then get the silky motor oil. It's best for the skin.

Pretty broad brush you have there.

My experience working on guns treated with Miltec says otherwise. It is better than nothing though, so I'll give it that.

I'll list my experience again for the on lookers. I have a little over 10K AR's and about 8k other firearms that have crossed my bench in 15 years of being a Smith/Technical Instructor. My former customers and students own more than just safe queens. Lots of L.E. and Service Members, that includes you too.

 

[Blaster229]

Yes something is better than nothing.

Miltec is just a really poor lube and awful protectant. Ever try to pull the barrel nut on an AR that has been treated with Miltec? I cleaned it off of many guns at the shop that choked on it.

CLP does nothing well, it's an all in one product. It does not stay put and it burns off or evaporates.

Motor Oil performs like the expensive gun lubes such as Slip and Lucas. It's a cost savings measure that does not allow accelerated wear or induce malfunctions.

I don't know what your deal is but I think you just want to argue. You never brought up this argument when you sat in my AR class or when I gave your 1911 a reliability job, or built your AR.

No. Nor have I ever had to build an AR at work. I never question your builds. But like no one questions your "expertise", I find it funny how someone who has more rounds (not from an auto) than probably anyone here, I get blasted about me saying I've never had an issue with something other than motor oil. That blows my mind.
You really have a hold of the masses and that's to be applauded.

 

[Combloc]

Zastava sold 141651 Yugo's in the United States in seven years. That's a lot of cars but that doesn't mean they were Quality cars. And I certainly wouldn't blindly take Zastava's word on what makes a Quality vehicle just because they've built a lot of them. Sure, they did run and I'm sure some ran great for a long time but still, that doesn't mean they are anything other than what they are. Now, when Honda speaks, I listen.

 

[Boondock Saint]

If you love it, lube it. /thread

 

[willtill]

For cleaning, I use only two chemicals. I use Hoppe's 9 (both the classic and the copper solvent) and I use Gumout carb cleaner. I generally only use the carb cleaner on my HK bolt heads as it makes short work of cleaning the rollers and insides. However, I have used it on other firearms when I have stubborn carbon but I ALWAYS keep it well clear of ANYTHING that is not bare, blued or phosphated metal and I use a separate rag (whatever I have laying around from general work in the garage). Over time, my normal cleaning rag (the Hoppe's one) gets very oily and I use it until it is literally falling apart or gets gritty. For reassembly, I use both CLP liberally and Automatenfett as well as my normal cleaning rag. These methods have served me perfectly since the 80's in temperatures ranging from sub-zero to over 100F and range trips up to and over 500 rounds per firearm. Some of the firearms I own have been with me since the 80's with many thousands of rounds from them and they still function as if new. Here are a few pictures of various bits of a rifle I bought new in the 80's with well over 10,000 rounds through it, plenty of abuse, zero parts replaced and zero stoppages:

Those beautiful, clean, lands and grooves give me a serious hard on. Very nice.


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[Combloc]

LOL...thanks. Chrome is a beautiful thing.

 

[willtill]

LOL...thanks. Chrome is a beautiful thing.

It is. I like chrome. In a barrel. But not on a motorcycle.



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[willtill]

Anyone try Marvel Mystery oil on a firearms components?

We have some budding entrepreneurs here on the board that like to hang their new found hats upon other than previously proven firearm lubrication applications.





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[willtill]

LOL...thanks. Chrome is a beautiful thing.

Hoppes is actually a very good solvent. The mistake that a lot of people make with it; is to not let it sit long enough to break down carbon.




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