Question regarding Hogan interview yesterday

[Abacab]

Don’t worry, Hogan will do something Pro 2nd amendment first day off his second term! You just need to be patient! Didn’t everyone see how he was so upset and disturbed about 2 of the Patriot Picket guys getting arrested in his front yard? It was all over his FB posts and on the news!..... yeah me neither.
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Easy there, smooth brain. Some of Hogan's mouth breathers might accuse you of having BGOS or that you just can't understand signing anti-gun bills to own the libs.

 

[SCV/SAR Patriot]

Easy there, smooth brain. Some of Hogan's mouth breathers might accuse you of having BGOS or that you just can't understand signing anti-gun bills to own the libs.

Amen, I’m with you Abacab.

 

[dblas]

Other than donating to hogan , which at this time in my mind he doesn’t deserve, and coming to Annapolis for the foreseeable future, because my dad now not only has cancer every time I turn around he has oldtimers and it takes any extra time I have, I do everything I have always done. Write, email, call, visit, send written testimony,etc, so yes I still fight.

I appreciate that, given what little time you have.

I have doubts sometimes if it helps, and I have been told my politics don’t suit some here including msi so that adds doubt. If msi doesn’t want the far right, and those here, not all but some, don’t like hunters or the truly redneck kind then what we are trying to do won’t work.

I'm not familiar with who your Delegates and Senator are, so I can't speak to that, but if they are supporting us, I have no issue with that.

What I think needs to be done is do everything to get all gun owners together, somehow.

I'm not sure how we do that, given that not every gun owner is into every facet of the hobby. But I do agree, that calling those that only want bolt actions and shotguns "fudds" does nothing to help combine forces. Likewise, the sportsman's coalitions don't want our help with their issues, when we offer it. So how do we make bridges instead of divides?

Push those in central md to elect republicans, not hogan type republicans either. Push hard.

As a PG county resident whos district (21) covers Northern PG County and part of Anne Arundel County, my issue is trying to get both central committees on the same sheet of music and NOT leaving any seats open for the Dems to run unopposed. Unfortunately they can't get their shit together, and they can only come up with one candidate to run for Delegate, instead of a minimum of three for all of the seats.

Ask more of our republicans in the mga, somehow push them to get some backbone, I get tired of them telling me they don’t push because it’s hard, it’s a waste of time, they don’t know how or they don’t want to waste political capital

On this we absolutely agree, and I am tired of them dropping multiple bills on the same subject just so they can show their constituents they are "doing something.

Quit buying stuff from antis as much as possible and tell them why. Just quit dealing with them, working with them

I'm not sure it is quite that easy for some.

Make all politicians do what they are sent up there to do.

Hillbilly Grandpa has some great ideas on this, and all it takes is a handful of constituents in each district to do so, even for those with a (D) before their name.

Rebel. Speak up and out every chance we get everywhere you go and to whomever you talk to, be vocal, quit hiding being pro 2a

This requires more people to step up and do things in person instead of just the usual suspects.

 

[44man]

I appreciate that, given what little time you have.



I'm not familiar with who your Delegates and Senator are, so I can't speak to that, but if they are supporting us, I have no issue with that.



I'm not sure how we do that, given that not every gun owner is into every facet of the hobby. But I do agree, that calling those that only want bolt actions and shotguns "fudds" does nothing to help combine forces. Likewise, the sportsman's coalitions don't want our help with their issues, when we offer it. So how do we make bridges instead of divides?




As a PG county resident whos district (21) covers Northern PG County and part of Anne Arundel County, my issue is trying to get both central committees on the same sheet of music and NOT leaving any seats open for the Dems to run unopposed. Unfortunately they can't get their shit together, and they can only come up with one candidate to run for Delegate, instead of a minimum of three for all of the seats.



On this we absolutely agree, and I am tired of them dropping multiple bills on the same subject just so they can show their constituents they are "doing something.



I'm not sure it is quite that easy for some.



Hillbilly Grandpa has some great ideas on this, and all it takes is a handful of constituents in each district to do so, even for those with a (D) before their name.



This requires more people to step up and do things in person instead of just the usual suspects.

Thanks for the replies;

My reps are republicans and pro 2a but like the rest of the republicans in the mga I feel they are scared to push back, why I do not know, the mikes can’t fire them and as long as they act like republicans they will get re-elected down here.

And it is easy for folks not to buy some things from antis, they are just fair weather supporters of the 2a because they don’t even try. Sure everyone has to get some stuff from antis , like health insurance, but they don’t have to go to total wine yo buy a bottle of hooch cause it’s .50 cents cheaper than the pro 2a guy down the street.

As for speaking out and rebelling, folks don’t have to go to Annapolis, they can speak out at work at the grocery store at lunch at their kids school at every social event they go to instead of cowering in a dark corner like they have done something wrong by being pro 2a. To hell with hiding it, announce it.

And I will look and see what hillbilly grandpa has in mind

 

[dblas]

Thanks for the replies;

My reps are republicans and pro 2a but like the rest of the republicans in the mga I feel they are scared to push back, why I do not know, the mikes can’t fire them and as long as they act like republicans they will get re-elected down here.

Then I'm not sure what the problem is or why some groups might not be for them, other than perhaps they aren't stepping up. I still think they need to work better to band together like the Dems do, and push back harder on issues.

And it is easy for folks not to buy some things from antis, they are just fair weather supporters of the 2a because they don’t even try. Sure everyone has to get some stuff from antis , like health insurance, but they don’t have to go to total wine yo buy a bottle of hooch cause it’s .50 cents cheaper than the pro 2a guy down the street.

I can't say I disagree with this.

As for speaking out and rebelling, folks don’t have to go to Annapolis, they can speak out at work at the grocery store at lunch at their kids school at every social event they go to instead of cowering in a dark corner like they have done something wrong by being pro 2a. To hell with hiding it, announce it.

I don't believe I said anything about going to Annapolis, but it means a lot more folks are going to have to step up (which I did say).

And I will look and see what hillbilly grandpa has in mind

Grassroots organization at the local level working on a particular elected official or two with regards to the issues that are important to them. This needs to start to be a ground game and work from the ground up, were a group of like minded individuals push for their issues. This would be in addition to the organization working for the majority, but the individual groups wouldn't be told what their issues are from the organizations.

It is high time to attack this from a different direction, and playing for a tie is fine, but it is eating up resources, time and money. We are playing on their field, by their rules, in their game, and quite frankly that needs to change. It needs to be a field of our choosing and by our rules.

 

[44man]

Then I'm not sure what the problem is or why some groups might not be for them, other than perhaps they aren't stepping up. I still think they need to work better to band together like the Dems do, and push back harder on issues.



I can't say I disagree with this.



I don't believe I said anything about going to Annapolis, but it means a lot more folks are going to have to step up (which I did say).



Grassroots organization at the local level working on a particular elected official or two with regards to the issues that are important to them. This needs to start to be a ground game and work from the ground up, were a group of like minded individuals push for their issues. This would be in addition to the organization working for the majority, but the individual groups wouldn't be told what their issues are from the organizations.

It is high time to attack this from a different direction, and playing for a tie is fine, but it is eating up resources, time and money. We are playing on their field, by their rules, in their game, and quite frankly that needs to change. It needs to be a field of our choosing and by our rules.

I think the republicans, my reps included act like they are scared to death to do anything in Annapolis. and acting scared, not pushing to bring bills to the floor for debate or a vote, and I know a lot of bills are desk drawered but there are ways that yall have described to bring them to the floor and I know the dems will wait till 1 min before midnight on sine die to do it but I feel like the republicans could at the very least try and get some of their pro gun, pro 2a , pro carry bills brought up if for nothing else to piss the dems off. basically I want the republicans to grow a set but not just mine but every one of them I talk to says " why try, why waste our time why waste our political capitol", I say eff it at least be a thorn in mike and mikes foot.

and I purposely said people don't have to go to Annapolis to separate their regular lives from the ******** in Annapolis. we need to talk about guns and being pro 2a and being pro constitution all the time to everyone even if who we are talking to doesn't like it. not to alienate more people from us but to normalize the fact that people own guns and that guns are for something other than criminals shooting and robbing regular folks. also it can lead to taking more people shooting. we took a person yesterday to the farm to shoot for the first time with just four of us so she wouldn't be embarrassed if she didn't do well or was scared. hell by the end of the day she was having a ball and wants her own pistol now and we showed her how to get her hql started.

and we need better people running for office in central md, because that's were all our problems begin and were they need to end.

and to be quite frank we need a better governor. hes no friend of the 2a, we all know it. but that's enough of that for now.

 

[rockstarr]

Staunch 2a?

I would settle for hogan publicly saying he believes in the constitution and he believes in the 2a.

How bout that? Will he? Can he?

But if he signs anti gun legislation he’s an anti, plain and simple and will never get my vote.

It’s one thing to have a governor work around antis, it’s another for him to help them.[/QUOTE]

These are how I feel. I can totally understand keeping some things under wraps to not be branded but to vote against us is a different story and makes him no better than a governor communist would be.

Heck, at least a "governor communist" wouldn't be a pretender imo.

Even though Hogan has done nothing to help my rights in this state, I would still hold my nose and vote for him again, The same as I did for Romney and Trump.

The second he signs anti gun legislation, just like a democrat would do, in an effort to appeal to " the other side", HE LOSES MY VOTE, plan and simple.

 

[Abacab]

Didn't you guys get the message that real gun owners don't have principles?

 

[dblas]

I think the republicans, my reps included act like they are scared to death to do anything in Annapolis. and acting scared, not pushing to bring bills to the floor for debate or a vote, and I know a lot of bills are desk drawered but there are ways that yall have described to bring them to the floor and I know the dems will wait till 1 min before midnight on sine die to do it but I feel like the republicans could at the very least try and get some of their pro gun, pro 2a , pro carry bills brought up if for nothing else to piss the dems off. basically I want the republicans to grow a set but not just mine but every one of them I talk to says " why try, why waste our time why waste our political capitol", I say eff it at least be a thorn in mike and mikes foot.

I agree, so how do we get them to take that shot?

and I purposely said people don't have to go to Annapolis to separate their regular lives from the ******** in Annapolis. we need to talk about guns and being pro 2a and being pro constitution all the time to everyone even if who we are talking to doesn't like it. not to alienate more people from us but to normalize the fact that people own guns and that guns are for something other than criminals shooting and robbing regular folks. also it can lead to taking more people shooting. we took a person yesterday to the farm to shoot for the first time with just four of us so she wouldn't be embarrassed if she didn't do well or was scared. hell by the end of the day she was having a ball and wants her own pistol now and we showed her how to get her hql started.

I agree, and again, it requires more people to step up.

and we need better people running for office in central md, because that's were all our problems begin and were they need to end.

We need more people running period, when the republicans can't even come up with enough candidates for all of the seats, they really can't say they are doing everything they can. I have pissed off people on both the Anne Arundel and Prince George's County Republican Central Committees calling them out on their inability to come up with a bare minimum slate.

and to be quite frank we need a better governor. hes no friend of the 2a, we all know it. but that's enough of that for now.

He is definitely not a gun guy, and it pisses me off that he comes out for the hunters legislative day and takes pics with them, but crickets when invited to stop by ours. Crickets when asked about 2A issues, until bump stocks and magazine bans, then he steps up to that line. So the question is, will he cross that line? I really don't know, but as for the November election, I will probably vote for him since not doing so will almost guarantee a Democrat wins the office and things get immensely harder. But that is a discussion for another time as you say.

So, what can we do to start to turn this around at the local level, how do we get the ground game started?

 

[44man]

I agree, so how do we get them to take that shot?



I agree, and again, it requires more people to step up.



We need more people running period, when the republicans can't even come up with enough candidates for all of the seats, they really can't say they are doing everything they can. I have pissed off people on both the Anne Arundel and Prince George's County Republican Central Committees calling them out on their inability to come up with a bare minimum slate.



He is definitely not a gun guy, and it pisses me off that he comes out for the hunters legislative day and takes pics with them, but crickets when invited to stop by ours. Crickets when asked about 2A issues, until bump stocks and magazine bans, then he steps up to that line. So the question is, will he cross that line? I really don't know, but as for the November election, I will probably vote for him since not doing so will almost guarantee a Democrat wins the office and things get immensely harder. But that is a discussion for another time as you say.

So, what can we do to start to turn this around at the local level, how do we get the ground game started?

To get the republicans to start taking shots they need to either think they have a chance at winning or the they are gonna get voted out come Election Day. One or the other. Getting rid of republicans is a bad idea for md right now so they need to feel like we have their backs but that if they continue to do nothing we will get rid of them.

As for getting more people involved and stepping up republicans need to take a page outta the old Kennedy democrats playbook and start having republican meetings and dances and dinners and let the food and alcohol and politics flow then they could try different things like shooting events and more sportsman bashes and gun raffles. And have them scheduled so folks don’t have to take off work or travel hours to get to them. And invite and push for the hunters and even woman’s groups to come and join in.

Then hope this kinda thing leaks into central md, since that’s where the problem stems from.

Short of that people just have to quit hiding the fact that their pro 2a and make being pro 2 a the norm again , or at least not looked down on by folks in places like central md.

Short all that I got nothing.

 

[Zorros]

I saw this story on channel 11 this morning and was wondering about something they said. According to the story on their web site:

"The governor is endorsing red flag legislation, which is scheduled to be heard in a committee Thursday. The measure allows judges to temporarily order gun owners to surrender fire arms if they are deemed to be a danger to themselves or others.

Hogan said he's backing federal action to institute a universal background-check system. He supports clarifying current law to prohibit an individual convicted of domestic violence from possessing firearms. He also supports banning bump stocks."

Does anyone know how he is planning on clarifying the law? I thought that between the 77r and 4473, it was pretty much covered.

I think the answer is under federal law, a person who has been convicted of certain domestic crimes is prohibited from possessing a firearm ( somehow involved in interstate commerce which covers 99.9%). But there really is no mechanisim for enforcing this, only preventing a FFL from transfering the FA if the buyers name comes up on NICS. This law allows a relative, girlfriend, boy friend and the like to file for a LWPO with the court and if successful ( exparte, good cause, after opportunity for a hearing, clear and convincing) the police will visit and take the firearms. Success does not mean the person is engaged or may engage in do,estic violence. Just that there is a belief they pose a danger. Fed law, to prohibit possession, requires the person be a mental defective or convicted of a domestic violence act. This is a whole new ball game.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Ok , Article III Sec 5 left me confused , so I'll try to paraphrase :

Gov can call early session
Gov can introduce districting Plan
Gov's Plan must be introduced as Joint Resolution in both Houses

( gap)

If MGA passes a Plan by half way point of Regular session, that Plan become's Lae.

If MGA doesn't , then Gov's Plan becomes Law on Day 46.


But the inbetween has me scratching my head.

Does the MGA have to even have a vote on Gov's Plan ?
Can Speaker & President simply never call for on Gov's Plan.

Can MGA simply totally ignore Gov's Plan , and do their own thing instead, so long as they doi so by Day 44 ?

Worst case scenario - Mike & Mike Ignore Gov's plan , instead call for vote on their own plan , and pass it with 50% plus one in each House ?

 

[dblas]

Ok , Article III Sec 5 left me confused , so I'll try to paraphrase :

Gov can call early session
Gov can introduce districting Plan
Gov's Plan must be introduced as Joint Resolution in both Houses

( gap)

If MGA passes a Plan by half way point of Regular session, that Plan become's Lae.

If MGA doesn't , then Gov's Plan becomes Law on Day 46.


But the inbetween has me scratching my head.
Does the MGA have to even have a vote on Gov's Plan ?

nope

Can Speaker & President simply never call for on Gov's Plan.

They have to introduce it and assign it to committee, the committee has to have a hearing. But no requirements to have a floor vote,

Can MGA simply totally ignore Gov's Plan , and do their own thing instead, so long as they doi so by Day 44 ?

They could, but they would be stupid to do so.

Worst case scenario - Mike & Mike Ignore Gov's plan , instead call for vote on their own plan , and pass it with 50% plus one in each House ?

yep, at which point any citizen can challenge it in court.

 

[Abacab]

Is the sum total of this that it doesn't really matter who the governor is

 

[dblas]

Is the sum total of this that it doesn't really matter who the governor is

It actually does, because without a Republican Governor, they can shove whatever they want down our throats.

 

[Abacab]

It actually does, because without a Republican Governor, they can shove whatever they want down our throats.

Yes but if they have the votes to override a veto or if the constitution permits them to pass their own plan with 50%+1 then he really can't do anything, no? Or did I misread this?

 

[44man]

It actually does, because without a Republican Governor, they can shove whatever they want down our throats.

What’s stops them from doing so with a republican governor?

 

[SCV/SAR Patriot]

Hogan is worthless as **** on a boar hog. There I said it.

 

[Abacab]

Hogan is worthless as **** on a boar hog. There I said it.

Honestly if redistricting is not even something he can do anything about then how can you defend his gun grabbing at this point.

 

[j_h_smith]

Nice Hogan Video

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