AWB 2018 and grandfathering

[ironpony]

Similar to arguing with a "Mothers against (fill in the blank)". Even without a NICS the Parkland anti 2A Sheriff could have prevented that tragedy, without infringements.

 

[HaveBlue]

We need to redefine what “do something” means. Right now. The gun grabbers redefine terms to give innocuous names to what amounts to confiscation.

Safety and common sense are good. What they mean when they use those terms is completely divorced from their dictionary definitions.

 

[GlocksAndPatriots]

We need to redefine what “do something” means. Right now. The gun grabbers redefine terms to give innocuous names to what amounts to confiscation.

Safety and common sense are good. What they mean when they use those terms is completely divorced from their dictionary definitions.

Agreed. That something is making it so that dangerous sociopaths and schizophrenics get flagged by NICS.

 

[clandestine]

I didn't say I want anything regulated at all. Jesus Christ, you people are as bad as the SJWs

Ahh, so you don't want to regulate anything? Do you want to infringe?

Because you keep saying we need to "do something". That means regulate. The actual Patriots call that MORE infringement.

 

[iH8DemLibz]

We need to redefine what “do something” means. Right now. The gun grabbers redefine terms to give innocuous names to what amounts to confiscation.

Safety and common sense are good. What they mean when they use those terms is completely divorced from their dictionary definitions.

100% correct.

People, including the Republican Party leaders, continue to throw out vague statements. Some statements are down right scary. Some statements are downright unconstitutional. They're not thinking them through. And they should shut their pie holes until they do.

We're on step A and folks want to end up end up on step Z yesterday. With no real discussion of how to get there. This is going to take time. Because it has to be done correctly. And if there MUST be minor changes made, then this MUST be the last time.

I heard one Grabber say they wanted background checks for long guns like those done for handgun carry permits. State/Local/ATF/FBI/Neighbors/Bosses/Ex-Spouses/Etc. So we're going to wait several months to buy a single shot break open shotgun because a few nuts shot up a few schools? BRILLIANT!

These are the "Do Something" ideas that will cause all Pro-2A folks to recoil and hightail it to their respective corners. Resulting in the appropriate negotiating tactic of telling the other side to go hell.

 

[j_h_smith]

Agreed. That something is making it so that dangerous sociopaths and schizophrenics get flagged by NICS.

And how would that have worked out for Paddock and the Las Vegas shooting?

 

[GlocksAndPatriots]

And how would that have worked out for Paddock and the Las Vegas shooting?

That was the one exception. In every other case, the warning signs were all there. Lock these people up.

 

[Derek]

Reading this thread, I've noticed the NICS acronym omits the words background check: National Instant Criminal System. Foreboding.

 

[eruby]

As usual, I know with whom I will stand, and whom we may yet be standing against.

 

[TexDefender]

That was the one exception. In every other case, the warning signs were all there. Lock these people up.

I have to concur. In some cases the warning signs could be stretched out over a long period of time and on when looking at them individually may not be threating.

 

[j_h_smith]

That was the one exception. In every other case, the warning signs were all there. Lock these people up.

So, you think this was the ONE exception. How about these?

Orlando Night Club
Texas Church Shooting
San Bernadino
Edmond Post Office (origins of going postal)
Binghamton
Fort Hood
Geneva County
GMAC
The Day Trader (btw, he killed his family with a hammer before killing others with a firearm)
Red Lake

All of these mass shooting would not have been stopped by NICS. That's about half of the mass murders in the last 40 years.

That's 11 mass shooting that would not have been stopped by NICS. Most of these I listed were the largest mass murders at the time they were committed.

Now would you care to rethink your opinion on how the NICS system will save lives?

 

[j_h_smith]

I have to concur. In some cases the warning signs could be stretched out over a long period of time and on when looking at them individually may not be threating.

So how would that work? How would an NICS system look into a person's entire life to determine if they are "safe" to buy a firearm?

Please explain how you could implement a plan like that?

 

[GlocksAndPatriots]

So, you think this was the ONE exception. How about these?

Orlando Night Club
Texas Church Shooting
San Bernadino
Edmond Post Office (origins of going postal)
Binghamton
Fort Hood
Geneva County
GMAC
The Day Trader (btw, he killed his family with a hammer before killing others with a firearm)
Red Lake

All of these mass shooting would not have been stopped by NICS. That's about half of the mass murders in the last 40 years.

That's 11 mass shooting that would not have been stopped by NICS. Most of these I listed were the largest mass murders at the time they were committed.

Now would you care to rethink your opinion on how the NICS system will save lives?

Uhh, I acknowledged that these wouldn't have been stopped by NICS, because the NICS database is garbage. Did you not bother to read my posts?

 

[GlocksAndPatriots]

So how would that work? How would an NICS system look into a person's entire life to determine if they are "safe" to buy a firearm?

Please explain how you could implement a plan like that?

Return to the system we had in the 1950s for forced institutionalization. Bring it back.

 

[TexDefender]

So how would that work? How would an NICS system look into a person's entire life to determine if they are "safe" to buy a firearm?

Please explain how you could implement a plan like that?

My point was, I don't think you can in all situations. Maybe that will make it clear to you.

 

[lonewolf220]

Return to the system we had in the 1950s for forced institutionalization. Bring it back.

Ignoring all the potential abuses that can occur in a system like that, how will it be paid for? Taxes would have to dramatically increase to build, maintain, and staff these facilities. The country as a whole isn’t willing to pay more in taxes to fix crumbling roads/bridges. I doubt they’ll go along with a tax increase for something more controversial

 

[TexDefender]

Ignoring all the potential abuses that can occur in a system like that, how will it be paid for? Taxes would have to dramatically increase to build, maintain, and staff these facilities. The country as a whole isn’t willing to pay more in taxes to fix crumbling roads/bridges. I doubt they’ll go along with a tax increase for something more controversial

But Prisons are paid for by tax payers, we need them to hold repeat offenders do we not?

 

[iH8DemLibz]

Return to the system we had in the 1950s for forced institutionalization. Bring it back.

First you said the '70s and now you're saying the '50s.

Your thoughts are bouncing around all over the place. Could be a sign of "Something". How old are you? Are you OK? Perhaps you should be checked out by Doctor Pelosi or Doctor Feinstein to see if you meant '70s or '50s. Cuzz we can't have people who can't keep a thought in their head having access to firearms. Would you like to schedule an appointment to be seen? What do you mean no? You sound combative. The state will be right over to pick you up.

All of the above was written in jest.

But this is where we're heading if folks don't start thinking straight. Think it can't happen. Tell that to the folks in Washington state. One phone call, from any "Concerned Citizen", and they'll come to take you away away. They'll come to take you away.

Your guns too.

 

[j_h_smith]

Uhh, I acknowledged that these wouldn't have been stopped by NICS, because the NICS database is garbage. Did you not bother to read my posts?

Lets say you fix all of the problems YOU feel are wrong with the NICS, how do you stop these otherwise law abiding citizens from doing really bad things? Scrap the NICS system and set up your very own system, how would you have stopped these murders?

How does any system stop these murders? None of the murders were on anyone's radar BEFORE they committed these horrendous crimes. They couldn't be on anyone's list of prohibited persons because by all standards, there was nothing wrong with them.

I did read your posts, that's why we're still having this conversation. Can you comprehend mine?

 

[j_h_smith]

Return to the system we had in the 1950s for forced institutionalization. Bring it back.

Forced institutionalize for what? Of the 11 mass shootings, there was nothing to report. What is your criteria for having someone institutionalized? You keep painting your argument with a broad stroke. Talk about specifics please.