Are there still regulated long guns?

[Bob A]

Makes sense, thanks!

I wouldn't go that far. Very few of MD's firearms laws make sense.

 

[Redgell88]

"Guns are bad, mmmmk?" -Maryland General Assembly

 

[Amigo109]

This is incorrect. A now banned regulated lon gun may be brought into the state if it was possessed before 10-1-13. You must register it with MSP within 90 days of establishing residency

http://mdsp.maryland.gov/Organizati...censingDivision/Registration/NewResident.aspx

Out of curiosity, how can the MSP tell if you bought a regulated firearm out of state prior to 2013? So for example, you move into state, within 90 days you go to the MSP with your regulated guns to register them, you tell them they were purchased in XYZ state in say 1990. How can the MSP even verify that?

It just seems odd that MD would pass a law when they can't verify if it's been broken or not. A quick google search resulted in a Huff Post article (I know, I know lol) that said 36 states have no legal requirements for gun registration, no permit needed and no license necessary to purchase and own a firearm such as a rifle, shotgun, or handgun.

Now I don't advocate lying to circumvent a law, even if I don't agree with the law, I obey them. Just want to be clear. I just don't see how MD can verify when you bought a regulated firearm that was purchased out of state.

 

[Boom Boom]

So for example, you move into state, within 90 days you go to the MSP with your regulated guns to register them, you tell them they were purchased in XYZ state in say 1990. How can the MSP even verify that?

Serial number and phone calls. A person moving into MD is required by law to register pre-ban guns, including make/model/serial number, with MSP. It's not difficult for MSP to check when the gun was made and when it was sold to current owner (if not purchased FTF). If it was purchased FTF, it wouldn't be unreasonable for MSP to contact the owner and request proof of when it was purchased and from who.

 

[eruby]

Out of curiosity, how can the MSP tell if you bought a regulated firearm out of state prior to 2013? ..... I just don't see how MD can verify when you bought a regulated firearm that was purchased out of state.

Really they can't.

But based on serial number, they could verify if it was manufactured after 10/1/2013.

Murders in Baltimore? P'shaw, someone might have a post 10/2013 rifle.

 

[Amigo109]

What really got me thinking about the difference in state laws and difficulty verifying when and where a gun was purchased was that many years ago, around 1997, I purchased a pistol from a private seller off of a gun forum. I sent the guy the money and he just mailed the gun to my house as I recall. Idk If he was supposed to send it to a FFA back then. I had purchased other private party pistols within Maryland also in the 90's and at that time, I always just went to MSP after the purchase to register them. Point is, back then, everything was so much different. People were buying and selling firearms with no paper trail unless they chose to register. Ah, the good Ole days. And there was less crime as well.

 

[Adolph Oliver Bush]

Insult the OP about his original post, continue to harp on it for 3 additional posts, having never come close to even addressing on any level his legitimate question, then invite him to stand with you in protest somewhere on Monday. Does this typically work for you? Doesn’t seem like the best strategy

If any of the things that that I've said strike anyone as an insult, they are waaay too sensitive. Merely suspicious of any newcomer at this point in time. Ok, maybe the fungus part wasn't a compliment. Simple hazing of the new guy until he earns his cred is all.

As for the Monday reference, please go see the arrested sticky in the Maryland 2A forum. You can carpool from my airy with me if you can leave early and stay late. PM for details.

 

[Pinecone]

What really got me thinking about the difference in state laws and difficulty verifying when and where a gun was purchased was that many years ago, around 1997, I purchased a pistol from a private seller off of a gun forum. I sent the guy the money and he just mailed the gun to my house as I recall. Idk If he was supposed to send it to a FFA back then. I had purchased other private party pistols within Maryland also in the 90's and at that time, I always just went to MSP after the purchase to register them. Point is, back then, everything was so much different. People were buying and selling firearms with no paper trail unless they chose to register. Ah, the good Ole days. And there was less crime as well.

Within the same state, may be OK. Out of state, illegal since 1968.

You did not need to "register" FTF handgun sales in MD under Oct 1. 1996. At that point, all handgun sales required MSP paperwork to transfer.

Yes, if you have an AR that was produced in 2000, and first sold, in a state with untracked FTF sales, yes, the state would have a hard time proving you purchased it after 9/30/13.

But if the AR was produced in 2014, or shipped to an FFL who did not sell it (required paperwork) under 2014, it is easy.

 

[MGMTF]

I wouldn't go that far. Very few of MD's firearms laws make sense.

I have certainly found that out by trying to read through them. I guess what I meant is his explanation makes much more sense to me than what I have been reading.

 

[Biggfoot44]

The explanation makes it more * comprehensible * . Still doesn't make any sense or real purpose .

 

[Schipperke]

Insult the OP about his original post, continue to harp on it for 3 additional posts, having never come close to even addressing on any level his legitimate question, then invite him to stand with you in protest somewhere on Monday. Does this typically work for you? Doesn’t seem like the best strategy

Modus Operandi of a few at MDS. It wasn't an invite, it's a litmus test to see if you are up to a cliques standard of 2A worthiness. It's also a lead in to beat ones own chest later of their selfless sacrifice for others..

 

[Adolph Oliver Bush]

Modus Operandi of a few at MDS. It wasn't an invite, it's a litmus test to see if you are up to a cliques standard of 2A worthiness. It's also a lead in to beat ones own chest later of their selfless sacrifice for others..

Wrong.
Correct.
Wrong.

 

[Angelo597]

Regulated Long Guns

In short, no there are no regulated long guns that can be purchased. The 2013 Law banned what were "assault weapons" and copycats, unless their ownership could be proven to be before October 2013. So the only current regulated firearms are handguns.

MD complaint AR-15 rifles and pistols can still be purchased, and a stripped lower receiver can be purchased without an HQL. The onus is on the buyer to "build" a MD compliant AR rifle/pistol.

 

[Angelo597]

Non face to face purchases and mailing of a handgun to anyone directly who is Not a FFL is a violation of Federal and State law and has been since GCA of 1968. Only legal to sell (individual citizens) face to face and (legally) must be residents of the same state. In Maryland now no private person to person sales without going through MDSP or through a regulated firearms licensee (more than just an FFL).

 

[eruby]

Non face to face purchases and mailing of a handgun to anyone directly who is Not a FFL is a violation of Federal and State law and has been since GCA of 1968. Only legal to sell (individual citizens) face to face and (legally) must be residents of the same state. In Maryland now no private person to person sales without going through MDSP or through a regulated firearms licensee (more than just an FFL).

Welcome (back) Angelo.

I see you joined in April 2017, and have been dormant since then.

We can use all the knowledgeable 2A fighters we can get.

Maybe go to the introductions thread and tell us more about yourself (and thank you for your Naval service )

https://www.mdshooters.com/forumdisplay.php?f=119

 

[Amigo109]

Non face to face purchases and mailing of a handgun to anyone directly who is Not a FFL is a violation of Federal and State law and has been since GCA of 1968. Only legal to sell (individual citizens) face to face and (legally) must be residents of the same state. In Maryland now no private person to person sales without going through MDSP or through a regulated firearms licensee (more than just an FFL).

I'm probably remembering the transaction wrong then. At least I HOPE I am. It's scary to think you might have unwittingly broken federal and state law. Yeah, I'm remembering it wrong. It was a long time ago. Brain fart.

 

[fabsroman]

If any of the things that that I've said strike anyone as an insult, they are waaay too sensitive. Merely suspicious of any newcomer at this point in time. Ok, maybe the fungus part wasn't a compliment. Simple hazing of the new guy until he earns his cred is all.

As for the Monday reference, please go see the arrested sticky in the Maryland 2A forum. You can carpool from my airy with me if you can leave early and stay late. PM for details.

You are not helping our cause by treating newcomers like that. We need all the support we can get, and that is the way to turn somebody off from firearms and/or this board.

Initially, I was a member here in 2009 when I was looking at an AR-15 purchase or two. I asked some questions, got some answers, did some searching, and then was dormant for a while after getting sick, buying a new house, etc. Got back to the site right before Newtown happened and then really got involved once FSA2013 was proposed.

Anyway, there is nothing wrong with being helpful to newcomers. Until they appear to be a troll or an anti, we need to help them.

Another thing to think about is that there are going to be a lot of newcomers to this site right now. This site has been advertised by Jeff almost the entire week both on talk shows and TV news. There are tons of people that are just hearing about MDS for the first time, and guess what, they might actually be supporters of the 2nd Amendment with absolutely no idea about this site. Most of the guys I hunt with have no idea about this website.

 

[fabsroman]

Regulated guns before 2013 are now banned plus a few more that they have determined are evil. You cannot bring them into the state by registering them. They simply can't come in. The only way you can possess one is if you owned it in the state before 2013.

Not completely right. You can bring a banned assault weapon into the state if you owned it and possessed it prior to 10/1/2013. However, it must be registered with the state. There is a specific time frame for registering it, but I do not know that off the top of my head.

 

[fabsroman]

Alright, time to split hairs:

Md Code Public Safety: 5-101

(r) “Regulated firearm” means:
(1) a handgun; or
(2) a firearm that is any of the following specific assault weapons or their copies, regardless of which company produced and manufactured that assault weapon:
(i) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine;
(ii) AK–47 in all forms;
(iii) Algimec AGM–1 type semi–auto;
(iv) AR 100 type semi–auto;
(v) AR 180 type semi–auto;
(vi) Argentine L.S.R. semi–auto;
(vii) Australian Automatic Arms SAR type semi–auto;
(viii) Auto–Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semi–automatics;
(ix) Barrett light .50 cal. semi–auto;
(x) Beretta AR70 type semi–auto;
(xi) Bushmaster semi–auto rifle;
(xii) Calico models M–100 and M–900;
(xiii) CIS SR 88 type semi–auto;
(xiv) Claridge HI TEC C–9 carbines;
(xv) Colt AR–15, CAR–15, and all imitations except Colt AR–15 Sporter H–BAR rifle;
(xvi) Daewoo MAX 1 and MAX 2, aka AR 100, 110C, K–1, and K–2;
(xvii) Dragunov Chinese made semi–auto;
(xviii) Famas semi–auto (.223 caliber);
(xix) Feather AT–9 semi–auto;
(xx) FN LAR and FN FAL assault rifle;
(xxi) FNC semi–auto type carbine;
(xxii) F.I.E./Franchi LAW 12 and SPAS 12 assault shotgun;
(xxiii) Steyr–AUG–SA semi–auto;
(xxiv) Galil models AR and ARM semi–auto;
(xxv) Heckler and Koch HK–91 A3, HK–93 A2, HK–94 A2 and A3;
(xxvi) Holmes model 88 shotgun;
(xxvii) Avtomat Kalashnikov semiautomatic rifle in any format;
(xxviii) Manchester Arms “Commando” MK–45, MK–9;
(xxix) Mandell TAC–1 semi–auto carbine;
(xxx) Mossberg model 500 Bullpup assault shotgun;
(xxxi) Sterling Mark 6;
(xxxii) P.A.W.S. carbine;
(xxxiii) Ruger mini–14 folding stock model (.223 caliber);
(xxxiv) SIG 550/551 assault rifle (.223 caliber);
(xxxv) SKS with detachable magazine;
(xxxvi) AP–74 Commando type semi–auto;
(xxxvii) Springfield Armory BM–59, SAR–48, G3, SAR–3, M–21 sniper rifle, M1A, excluding the M1 Garand;
(xxxviii) Street sweeper assault type shotgun;
(xxxix) Striker 12 assault shotgun in all formats;
(xl) Unique F11 semi–auto type;
(xli) Daewoo USAS 12 semi–auto shotgun;
(xlii) UZI 9mm carbine or rifle;
(xliii) Valmet M–76 and M–78 semi–auto;
(xliv) Weaver Arms “Nighthawk” semi–auto carbine; or
(xlv) Wilkinson Arms 9mm semi–auto “Terry”.

There are still regulated long guns in Maryland. I have several in my safes that I purchased prior to 10/1/2013. However, I cannot sell them in Maryland and nobody in Maryland can buy them.

Md. Code Crim Law 4-301:

§4–301.
(a) In this subtitle the following words have the meanings indicated.
(b) “Assault long gun” means any assault weapon listed under § 5–101(r)(2) of the Public Safety Article.
(c) “Assault pistol” means any of the following firearms or a copy regardless of the producer or manufacturer:
(1) AA Arms AP–9 semiautomatic pistol;
(2) Bushmaster semiautomatic pistol;
(3) Claridge HI–TEC semiautomatic pistol;
(4) D Max Industries semiautomatic pistol;
(5) Encom MK–IV, MP–9, or MP–45 semiautomatic pistol;
(6) Heckler and Koch semiautomatic SP–89 pistol;
(7) Holmes MP–83 semiautomatic pistol;
(8) Ingram MAC 10/11 semiautomatic pistol and variations including the Partisan Avenger and the SWD Cobray;
(9) Intratec TEC–9/DC–9 semiautomatic pistol in any centerfire variation;
(10) P.A.W.S. type semiautomatic pistol;
(11) Skorpion semiautomatic pistol;
(12) Spectre double action semiautomatic pistol (Sile, F.I.E., Mitchell);
(13) UZI semiautomatic pistol;
(14) Weaver Arms semiautomatic Nighthawk pistol; or
(15) Wilkinson semiautomatic “Linda” pistol.
(d) “Assault weapon” means:
(1) an assault long gun;
(2) an assault pistol; or
(3) a copycat weapon.
(e) (1) “Copycat weapon” means:

So, Md. Code Crim Law 4-301 and the sub-sections following it end up banning the possession of regulated long guns (i.e., assault long guns) that were not possessed prior to October 2013.

You cannot buy a regulated long gun in the state of Maryland. You cannot even borrow one from a friend.

And yes, reading this stuff will give one a headache in trying to understand it and then trying to understand the reasoning behind it.

 

[swinokur]

Not completely right. You can bring a banned assault weapon into the state if you owned it and possessed it prior to 10/1/2013. However, it must be registered with the state. There is a specific time frame for registering it, but I do not know that off the top of my head.

90 days