I'm in favor of mandatory training to own a gun

[Mr. Ed]

This thread should have been a poll. Cut to the chase, and less foolishness.

 

[swinokur]

Position on making gun safety training a required class in public school, yes or no. I guess the answer should be no. Buying and owning a firearm is an enumerated right, so training shouldn't be mandatory any time.

https://news.vice.com/article/nra-commentator-suggests-mandatory-gun-training-in-schools

Whoop ! Dere it is !!

 

[swinokur]

This thread should have been a poll. Cut to the chase, and less foolishness.

I think the manner in which it was posted was intentional.

Just my opinion.

 

[Sirex]

If mandatory training was put in effect, it would be like any other gun control hurdle. Just increasing the height of the hurdle or cost, incrementally until most people could not do it. Anti gun politicians will just keep adding trainng requirements and fees until the commoner cant meet the requirements or afford the cost. Once Pandora's box is opened........
Ad far as MSI's name being invoked, it would be my belief he dropped it to try and lend some credibility and merit to his argument, like he is on our side, and we are just uninformed. I believe training is a great recommendation but shouldn't be a requirement. There are some people, like the single working mom, who buys a $200ish gun for self defense because that's all she has, but doesn't have the time or money for training. Or the older gentleman who had hunting shotguns and rifles for years, but decides to now get a little .22 for plinking. I think the intent may be good, but the road to hell is paved with them. The government would no doubt mess it up. That said, I have decided to try and sign up for training with Voda Tactical. Wish me luck.

 

[Norton]

Position on making gun safety training a required class in public school, yes or no. I guess the answer should be no. Buying and owning a firearm is an enumerated right, so training shouldn't be mandatory any time.

https://news.vice.com/article/nra-commentator-suggests-mandatory-gun-training-in-schools

That's not a condition of owning the firearm, so nope, no problem.

There are lots of classes that kids have to take that have no bearing one way or another on their constitutional rights.

Next.

 

[Norton]

Meanwhile, on the topic of drums:

 

[swinokur]

Ad far as MSI's name being invoked, it would be my belief he dropped it to try and lend some credibility and merit to his argument, like he is on our side, and we are just uninformed.

Yes, but it has never been MSI's position and he doesn't speak for the organization, as has been mentioned.

He changed the subject when his position was pointed out as indefensible in light of what the 2A plainly says.

 

[Schipperke]

That's not a condition of owning the firearm, so nope, no problem.

There are lots of classes that kids have to take that have no bearing one way or another on their constitutional rights.

Next.

Then that pretty much refutes those in the thread citing safety training is useless. I see no reason requiring it in school if when at 18, they can buy a firearm w/o training required. Waste of resources. Reading, writing and math don't appear to get enough attention as it is.

The Woodstock is only professing what roughly year after year polls North of 70% nationally promoting mandatory training. No doubt here there is no support. Problem is that word infringement often pounded as some defense, it's not the same as shall make no law to regulate. There are easy ways to make training "quasi mandatory" if the states or feds ever wanted to. Think taxation and exemption. Pay this 50% tax on ammo and/or firearm or get full credit showing a training certificate..

 

[Norton]

Then that pretty much refutes those in the thread citing safety training is useless. I see no reason requiring it in school if when at 18, they can buy a firearm w/o training required. Waste of resources. Reading, writing and math don't appear to get enough attention as it is.

We require sex ed without it being a prerequisite for having sex or procreating.

We require English without it being a prerequisite for voting.

We could do this for hours, but the point at the end of the day is that it is two entirely different concepts.

If you want to argue for the sake of arguing as you like to do, have at it but it doesn't mean you're correct.

 

[Boom Boom]

Self-serving grandstanding at the expense of natural rights. Insults galore to back it up. Epic.

While I don't support or advocate the following, it would make way more sense to have mandatory driver's training, if public safety is truly the concern. Motor vehicles injure and kill way more people than guns. For that matter, again not supported or advocated by me, it would make more sense to have mandatory alcohol consumption training.

 

[Stoveman]

Didn't the OP once start (or derail) a thread about being able to shoot accurately with his eyes closed? Or am I thinking of someone else?

 

[Blaster229]

Didn't the OP once start (or derail) a thread about being able to shoot accurately with his eyes closed? Or am I thinking of someone else?

That was him. It allows him to shoot faster that way. LMAO!

 

[teratos]

As a physician, I think everyone should have a mandatory physical every year. With blood work. I would profit tremendously from that. It’s about the same as a firearms instructor calling for mandatory firearms training.

Woodstock, you still a smoker? For the good of society we should take your smokes away. Smoking has a tremendous financial impact on the country. Don’t like that idea? How about some mandatory smoking education for you.

Every permit holder should do an IDPA qualifier? There are so many people with disabilities that make this impossible. They have an absolute Right to defend themselves.

Yes, everyone should have training. My kids do. They both have excellent personal habits when handling firearms. I taught them. That’s nobody else’s responsibility.

Advocating mandatory training shows ingnorance of the definition of a right. It implies that if one is not able to meet certain criteria, they may not exercise that “right”. If that is the case then it ceases to be a right. If you believe otherwise you are a traitor to our cause.

 

[BUFF7MM]

As a physician, I think everyone should have a mandatory physical every year. With blood work. I would profit tremendously from that. It’s about the same as a firearms instructor calling for mandatory firearms training.

Woodstock, you still a smoker? For the good of society we should take your smokes away. Smoking has a tremendous financial impact on the country. Don’t like that idea? How about some mandatory smoking education for you.

Every permit holder should do an IDPA qualifier? There are so many people with disabilities that make this impossible. They have an absolute Right to defend themselves.

Yes, everyone should have training. My kids do. They both have excellent personal habits when handling firearms. I taught them. That’s nobody else’s responsibility.

Advocating mandatory training shows ingnorance of the definition of a right. It implies that if one is not able to meet certain criteria, they may not exercise that “right”. If that is the case then it ceases to be a right. If you believe otherwise you are a traitor to our cause.

Well put Doc.

 

[Boom Boom]

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[rbird7282]

As a physician, I think everyone should have a mandatory physical every year. With blood work. I would profit tremendously from that. It’s about the same as a firearms instructor calling for mandatory firearms training.



Woodstock, you still a smoker? For the good of society we should take your smokes away. Smoking has a tremendous financial impact on the country. Don’t like that idea? How about some mandatory smoking education for you.



Every permit holder should do an IDPA qualifier? There are so many people with disabilities that make this impossible. They have an absolute Right to defend themselves.



Yes, everyone should have training. My kids do. They both have excellent personal habits when handling firearms. I taught them. That’s nobody else’s responsibility.



Advocating mandatory training shows ingnorance of the definition of a right. It implies that if one is not able to meet certain criteria, they may not exercise that “right”. If that is the case then it ceases to be a right. If you believe otherwise you are a traitor to our cause.

Well stated.


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[smokey]

"I have always wanted to shoot myself in the foot", said no one ever. Well, until now. LOL

You're in luck. Woodstock is offering classes on both "how to shoot yourself in the foot" and "how to put your foot in your mouth". He'll even generously give you a mdshooters discount on the class fee.

 

[Blaster229]

You're in luck. Woodstock is offering classes on both "how to shoot yourself in the foot" and "how to put your foot in your mouth". He'll even generously give you a mdshooters discount on the class fee.

Eyes closed of course.

 

[Gryphon]

I swore to myself after speaking my peace somewhere way above, that I would not re-enter this thread knowing it was on a clear path to derailment. For whatever reason I was unable to resist, and was pleased to see it has moved on to “mandatory alcohol consumption training.” Now that is something I might be able to get behind!

 

[Boom Boom]

For whatever reason I was unable to resist, and was pleased to see it has moved on to “mandatory alcohol consumption training.” Now that is something I might be able to get behind!

Yep. Mandatory bourbon and Scotch training at my place. Only top shelf.