Retired police officer kills fellow movie-goer over texting dispute

[Brooklyn]

He had a line of retreat and got up and left at least once and then came back.

I'm curious to know if he shot his gun through his pocket or if he had it out out his pocket/holster ready to fire at the time of the actual gun shot.

As I said it depends on when you consider the event start. Since it appears his wife did not leave at that time... it would not seem there was a threat until later.

At the time he fired he had no line of retreat.

It will make an interesting case...

 

[Ab_Normal]

As I said it depends on when you consider the event start. Since it appears his wife did not leave at that time... it would not seem there was a threat until later.

At the time he fired he had no line of retreat.

It will make an interesting case...

It also looks like he had his gun out ready to shoot well before the other guy threw popcorn or the cell phone(?).

It makes me wonder if the other guy didn't see the gun out and throwing things was his reaction to seeing it knowing he really had no where to go as well.

 

[Brooklyn]

It also looks like he had his gun out ready to shoot well before the other guy threw popcorn or the cell phone(?).

It makes me wonder if the other guy didn't see the gun out and throwing things was his reaction to seeing it knowing he really had no where to go as well.

Huh? You see that? Well that's what trials are for.......

But I sure hope they have more than that..... really.....

 

[Indiana Jones]

Huh? You see that? Well that's what trials are for.......

But I sure hope they have more than that..... really.....

Let's not forget the MO and agenda certain people on here have in relation to threads like this. I just ignore it.

 

[fabsroman]

Let's not forget the MO and agenda certain people on here have in relation to threads like this. I just ignore it.

And you think you come across as unbiased, without an MO or an agenda? Now that there is laughable.

 

[Ab_Normal]

And you think you come across as unbiased, without an MO or an agenda? Now that there is laughable.

Agreed. I just call them like I see them. Since SYG was brought up earlier, if this shooter would have been in GZ's shoes I would have also said good shoot. If GZ had been in this guy's shoes I would also be saying bad shoot.

I don't subscribe to the notion that some people are more equal than others.

 

[clandestine]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...ge-banfield-florida-theater-shooting.cnn.html

I still say he will walk.

 

[clandestine]

I think my prediction will be accurate. Shooter will not be convicted.

There is LOTS the media left out of this case.

 

[BeoBill]

http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/v...ge-banfield-florida-theater-shooting.cnn.html

I still say he will walk.

I think my prediction will be accurate. Shooter will not be convicted.

There is LOTS the media left out of this case.

CNN? Did it ever even happen?

 

[fabsroman]

It has been a little over 3 years since this event occurred. Figured I would post this as an update regarding the legal process. The Defendant's Motion to Dismiss based upon a defense of stand your ground was denied. So, barring some other reason to dismiss the case, it looks like it will be going to trial.

Everything regarding the case is listed here:

http://www.curtisreevestrial.com/

 

[pbharvey]

It amazes me how long it takes the wheels of justice to turn.

 

[fabsroman]

It amazes me how long it takes the wheels of justice to turn.

How long has Kolbe been going on now? Imagine how much longer it would take IF the SCOTUS accepts a Writ for Certiorari for an appeal in that case.

Reeves has not even been tried yet. If he is found guilty and he appeals, he might die of natural causes before his case is finally laid to rest.

You know, attorneys usually bill by the hour.

 

[MikeTF]

You know, attorneys usually bill by the hour.

... and the word. (Just teasing)

 

[44man]

How long has Kolbe been going on now? Imagine how much longer it would take IF the SCOTUS accepts a Writ for Certiorari for an appeal in that case.

Reeves has not even been tried yet. If he is found guilty and he appeals, he might die of natural causes before his case is finally laid to rest.

You know, attorneys usually bill by the hour.

I have only had to use a lawyer one time. It cost me 10k to be proven not at fault for something that was not my fault. a blind man could have seen I was not at fault but the others party didn't see it that way. oh well.

 

[BeoBill]

I have only had to use a lawyer one time. It cost me 10k to be proven not at fault for something that was not my fault. a blind man could have seen I was not at fault but the others party didn't see it that way. oh well.

That's the exact situation a lot of suing Libs are counting on for a settlement in lieu of a trial.

 

[GTOGUNNER]

I think my prediction will be accurate. Shooter will not be convicted.

There is LOTS the media left out of this case.

I really don't want to disagree with Chad, but since that post, things changed.
The Judge found, during the motions hearing on "stand your ground" claims,
""the defendant's testimony was significantly at odds with the physical evidence and other witness testimony, this court has considerable doubts about his credibility, and is not willing to come to the conclusion that these circumstances are those envisioned by the Legislature when the "stand your ground" law was enacted""

hence Motion Denied. Reeves will be tried on Murder in the Second Degree

 

[MDFF2008]

Chad's prediction could still possibly come true.

The SYG thing only means that the case won't be dismissed based on SYG. He could still assert self-defense at trial and potentially be found not guilty.

 

[fabsroman]

Chad's prediction could still possibly come true.

The SYG thing only means that the case won't be dismissed based on SYG. He could still assert self-defense at trial and potentially be found not guilty.

Yes, until the fat lady sings, anything is possible. Chad's prediction could come true under an appeal too.

As it is right now, there wasn't enough there to prove by a preponderance of the evidence, that the Stand Your Ground defense was applicable.

Of course, the Judge in the matter also thought that Mr. Reeves was lying. Take a gander at the Judge's opinion on denying the Motion to Dismiss.

http://www.curtisreevestrial.com/files/1046.pdf

Of course, the fat lady has not sung yet and a jury might actually see it as though Reeves was in fear of death or severe bodily harm.

The defense has the ability to appeal this Judge's ruling before trial. So, the wheels of justice might turn even slower.

 

[GlocksAndPatriots]

One thing to keep in mind is that for the SYG hearing, the burden of proof is on the defendant. At trial, the burden of proof is on the state.

 

[ToolAA]

One thing to keep in mind is that for the SYG hearing, the burden of proof is on the defendant. At trial, the burden of proof is on the state.

Please correct me if I'm wrong here.

I thought if you claim self defense then the burden of proof is you, the defendant to prove the other party had the means and ability to cause serious injury or death. Basically you are admitting to the assault by claiming self defense.