Can Trump make CCW in all 50 states?

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  • GoldGunsGirls

    Active Member
    May 30, 2012
    230
    Rockville
    Everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten that Trump is ABSOLUTELY an authoritarian with crystal clear inclinations towards dictator-like qualities. Trump is not a friend to gun rights or even Republicans in general. Trump is only a friend to Trump.

    The instant his approval ratings drop into the dumps (and they assuredly will drop. It's gonna be YUGE how far they drop. People tell me it's going to be such a big drop) he will start to try and flex his muscles. And when that happens.... well, let's just say we're all going to wish we still had Obama.
     

    j_h_smith

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 28, 2007
    28,516
    I think we will find a National CCW sitting on the back burner for some time. With no chance of additional gun bills being brought on the floor of congress, this will not be a front page issue for him. There are many things that will command his attention before this.

    I think where are advantage will be played out will be in the courts. There may be opportunities to right many wrongs through the court systems.
     

    j_h_smith

    Ultimate Member
    Jul 28, 2007
    28,516
    Everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten that Trump is ABSOLUTELY an authoritarian with crystal clear inclinations towards dictator-like qualities. Trump is not a friend to gun rights or even Republicans in general. Trump is only a friend to Trump.

    The instant his approval ratings drop into the dumps (and they assuredly will drop. It's gonna be YUGE how far they drop. People tell me it's going to be such a big drop) he will start to try and flex his muscles. And when that happens.... well, let's just say we're all going to wish we still had Obama.

    It would seem that you're moving to the right state with views like that. Welcome to Maryland.
     

    jeffie7

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 14, 2015
    6,086
    Loudoun County
    Everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten that Trump is ABSOLUTELY an authoritarian with crystal clear inclinations towards dictator-like qualities. Trump is not a friend to gun rights or even Republicans in general. Trump is only a friend to Trump.

    The instant his approval ratings drop into the dumps (and they assuredly will drop. It's gonna be YUGE how far they drop. People tell me it's going to be such a big drop) he will start to try and flex his muscles. And when that happens.... well, let's just say we're all going to wish we still had Obama.

    Reminds me of Hogan when he was first voted in.
     

    ADR

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 17, 2011
    4,173
    Everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten that Trump is ABSOLUTELY an authoritarian with crystal clear inclinations towards dictator-like qualities. Trump is not a friend to gun rights or even Republicans in general. Trump is only a friend to Trump.

    The instant his approval ratings drop into the dumps (and they assuredly will drop. It's gonna be YUGE how far they drop. People tell me it's going to be such a big drop) he will start to try and flex his muscles. And when that happens.... well, let's just say we're all going to wish we still had Obama.

    No, but it sounds like you already miss Obama.
     

    swinokur

    In a State of Bliss
    Patriot Picket
    Apr 15, 2009
    55,501
    Westminster USA
    here is Trump's position on National Reciprocity. All he says is that CCW permits should be honored like a driver's license.

    He does not give details on individual state's licensing policies.
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    press1280

    Ultimate Member
    Jun 11, 2010
    7,921
    WV
    here is Trump's position on National Reciprocity. All he says is that CCW permits should be honored like a driver's license.

    He does not give details on individual state's licensing policies.
    .

    Correct, the licensing policies would remain with the individual states.
    It looks like Ayotte went down so by my count only 59 votes in the Senate to pass it.
     

    RoadDawg

    Nos nostraque Deo
    Dec 6, 2010
    94,507
    We all need to be extremely careful in this rabbit hole...
    It is very steep, deep, and winds around blind corners.

    We can NOT accept nor allow ANY Federal laws to be created which will guarantee us national CCW at the expense of government regulation of our 2A COTUS Rights.

    Once we allow them to wield such authority... Our 2A becomes a "permission" at our own hands.

    So any thing offered as a National CCW agreement... MUST be HIGHLY vetted and must NEVER contain any language which can in any way be used to diminish our existing 2A COTUS rights.


    Everyone seems to have conveniently forgotten that Trump is ABSOLUTELY an authoritarian with crystal clear inclinations towards dictator-like qualities. Trump is not a friend to gun rights or even Republicans in general. Trump is only a friend to Trump.

    The instant his approval ratings drop into the dumps (and they assuredly will drop. It's gonna be YUGE how far they drop. People tell me it's going to be such a big drop) he will start to try and flex his muscles. And when that happens.... well, let's just say we're all going to wish we still had Obama.

    Really? That is amazing horse stuff there...
    But please tell us...
    Did you live with Donald Trump at any time?
    Did you spend any time working with him?
    Are you personally related to him?
    Did he call you for counseling?
    Did he grab you at any time?
    How is it that you can claim to know so much personal information about this man?

    Or did your spaceship take you to Uranus where you then extracted this information before posting here to enlighten us all? :shrug:

    Marty O would be so proud... :cool:
     

    Z_Man

    Ultimate Member
    May 23, 2014
    2,698
    Harford County
    We all need to be extremely careful in this rabbit hole...
    It is very steep, deep, and winds around blind corners.

    We can NOT accept nor allow ANY Federal laws to be created which will guarantee us national CCW at the expense of government regulation of our 2A COTUS Rights.

    Once we allow them to wield such authority... Our 2A becomes a "permission" at our own hands.

    So any thing offered as a National CCW agreement... MUST be HIGHLY vetted and must NEVER contain any language which can in any way be used to diminish our existing 2A COTUS rights.




    Really? That is amazing horse stuff there...
    But please tell us...
    Did you live with Donald Trump at any time?
    Did you spend any time working with him?
    Are you personally related to him?
    Did he call you for counseling?
    Did he grab you at any time?
    How is it that you can claim to know so much personal information about this man?

    Or did your spaceship take you to Uranus where you then extracted this information before posting here to enlighten us all? :shrug:

    Marty O would be so proud... :cool:

    no need to repeat this, but yes 100%.

    "liberal gun owners" still don't understand that your rights ARE NOT gifts from the government. the Constitution and The Bill of Rights isn't the limit of your rights, however the limit of what the government can do to restrict, regulate or remove your rights as a human being.

    that is the #1 reason that liberals cannot be reasoned with. that is why they are unable to reason, and any talk about government over reach is a non stater. They believe that rights are gifts from the government, not innate to them being human. morons...

    and they are soooo "tolerant" .... as long as you 100% agree with them. if that isn't fascist i don't know what is.
     

    Inigoes

    Head'n for the hills
    MDS Supporter
    Dec 21, 2008
    49,616
    SoMD / West PA
    For any nay-sayers, google LEOSA. Federal law enacted in 2004.

    If it's good enough to get police the right to carry in the 50 states, it's good enough for everyone else.
     

    kraftyone

    Active Member
    Mar 9, 2013
    966
    My opinion is that The states should control this, The President and US Congress should not.
    Too many people argue how a presidential election would decide issues that should and are in the hands of the state.

    I disagree the 2nd amendment is part of the United States Constitution and the states should have to bend to the will of the founding fathers laid out in that precious document. I think the federal government should do everything in its power to allow citizens of this country to be able to live by those guidelines laid out in that document.
     

    Alea Jacta Est

    Extinguished member
    MDS Supporter
    Political capital

    Those two words are weighty and critical for the new administration.

    There's only so much that can be accomplished overall AND in the near term.

    We tend to look at things from our personal perspective. There's an awful lot of context here. There are MANY competing demands.

    Beyond all that, there is the complex political context that existed before Trump's election and will exist well after his administration is in the history books.

    We would be wise to temper our desires and expectations with a healthy dose of reality.

    The dialog about states rights notwithstanding, we should also carefully and fully consider the potential for unintended consequences of forcing the Second Amendment on the individual states.

    There won't always be a 2A friendly majority. How we do what we do is pretty damned important

    Enthusiasm must be tempered with a healthy dose of reality. Otherwise we could win the battle and lose the damned war.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    33,350
    Why I have always opposed Federal Reciprosity -

    Once you ceede it to the Federal Gov't, they get to set the minimum standards. In "our" dream vision it will be " any permit issued by any state " , but after being revised by subsequent anti-gun administration, it could be " 100hrs of training, shoot a score equal to Rob Lathem, post $100,000 Bond. And repeat every year."
     

    JC92

    Active Member
    Aug 1, 2012
    104
    MD
    Why I have always opposed Federal Reciprosity -

    Once you ceede it to the Federal Gov't, they get to set the minimum standards. In "our" dream vision it will be " any permit issued by any state " , but after being revised by subsequent anti-gun administration, it could be " 100hrs of training, shoot a score equal to Rob Lathem, post $100,000 Bond. And repeat every year."

    National Reciprocity.
    The Federal Gov't does not set the standards. It coerces the States to approve reciprocity. We all remember the "55mph" national speed limit. The Fed Government did not mandate it. They simply withheld highway transportation funds from States that did not enact it. The Fed Gov't withholds Police Funding / Block Grants from States that do not recognize all other State CCWs.
     

    Biggfoot44

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 2, 2009
    33,350
    The two times the Federal Gov't has so far enacted limited Reciprosity, they have set standards.
     

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