2A Tuesday?

[EL1227]

Right!

And for those who surrendered to the War on Drugs, bear in mind that more Americans die from drug overdoses every year than from firearms!

Daahamn !!! ... spread the word brother. And while your at it, take a swipe at Spinny Winnie.

 

[ComeGet]

No one in the GA is going to take a group comprised of 95% white men seriously when we claim a law is racist.

 

[Jim12]

Daahamn !!! ... spread the word brother. And while your at it, take a swipe at Spinny Winnie.

I want to puke every time I see that dishevelled, creepy snake oil salesman's face.

 

[Jim12]

I think the problem with this state is the demographics. The majority are urbanites, work in a DC environment, and so think parochially, only about their immediate surroundings.

The rest of the state is rural or semi-rural, in the numerical minority, and also think parochially, only about their immediate surroundings.

There's little that can unite them. I wish I had the answer, but I don't.

It's called tolerance. Instead of respecting and tolerating other people's values and lifestyles that they don't share, they insist on imposing theirs on everyone else.

Strangely, though, they embrace aberrant behavior in the name of "diversity", but not normal behavior that they are unfamiliar with and have been indoctrinated to fear.

They're also well aware of the fact that throughout modern history, guns have been very effectively used by Leftist political minorities (Bolsheviks, Mao, Castro, Kim, etc., etc.) to take control and wrest freedom and confiscate property from the disarmed masses. Guns threaten the Leftist agenda.

 

[Schipperke]

You might want to do some research on that statement.

A little bit of work?

Whatever amount it is, I do think he has spoken to politicos trying to sway their vote. As far as MSI before Dan, well MD gun laws are a testament to that former success. With Maryland voters, any lobbying for friendly gun laws carry's little to no weight. I appreciate at least the firewall attempted.

 

[Norton]

A little bit of work?

Whatever amount it is, I do think he has spoken to politicos trying to sway their vote. As far as MSI before Dan, well MD gun laws are a testament to that former success. With Maryland voters, any lobbying for friendly gun laws carry's little to no weight. I appreciate at least the firewall attempted.

You might want to still do some more research. Your lack of depth of understanding on the history of this movement and the people involved is pretty astonishing for someone who is making a lot of bold statements.

 

[Mr H]

You might want to still do some more research. Your lack of depth of understanding on the history of this movement and the people involved is pretty astonishing for someone who is making a lot of bold statements.

The funny-ironic thing here is that several of us have laid out the history and the evolution--warts and all--and still people only see what is in their ken, not looking past the end of their protest sign.

What I really got a sad chuckle out of was that because there was less perceived progress in the years before, it's doomed to failure in the future.

 

[Schipperke]

You might want to still do some more research. Your lack of depth of understanding on the history of this movement and the people involved is pretty astonishing for someone who is making a lot of bold statements.

Not bold, only what I've seen. First time I happened upon MSI a farrier was running it, don't recall his name. I've read this board many years before I subscribed. The entire gun rights movement other than NRA or SAF in Maryland is not that remarkable anyway. The gun laws here stipulate that nicely.

 

[Norton]

Not bold, only what I've seen. First time I happened upon MSI a farrier was running it, don't recall his name. I've read this board many years before I subscribed. The entire gun rights movement other than NRA or SAF in Maryland is not that remarkable anyway. The gun laws here stipulate that nicely.

Funny - for the first 8 years of MSI's existence, no new gun laws were passed that had any effect whatsoever on a law abiding gun owner and in fact some good ones were passed.

It wasn't for lack of trying that the anti-gun laws weren't passed. It was hard work on a lot of people's part that kept any new anti-gun legislation from being passed prior to 2013.

Then again, what do I know.

 

[teratos]

Not bold, only what I've seen. First time I happened upon MSI a farrier was running it, don't recall his name. I've read this board many years before I subscribed. The entire gun rights movement other than NRA or SAF in Maryland is not that remarkable anyway. The gun laws here stipulate that nicely.

When a small group of people are up against a significant majority, not a hell of a lot gets accomplished in a big way. The 2A groups in MD made a difference in a lot of ways. We are up against a strong opposition. They wield almost all the power. They don't care about the Constitution. A tough opponent.

 

[Jim12]

Problem I discovered in speaking with people all across the state, with regard to "Citizens' Defense League"...

I continually got, "What are you defending? Is it in court?"

Marylanders, by and large, are a particularly cloistered and obtuse bunch. We determined that the "Civil Right" direction resonated better. So, the focus was shifted from one of primarily carry, to one where the Right itself (combined with safety) was front and center.

Well, it involves citizens and a league, so maybe softball? Bowling? It's gotta be good, whatever, and people might be prompted to ask. Maybe VCDL has some valuable experience and a practiced response that leads into their spiel. Maybe the answer to the questions you got is "All of the above," because it applies. Defenders of freedom. The word "defense" connotes good things. Maybe that's why the War Department became the Department of Defense.

 

[Schipperke]

Funny - for the first 8 years of MSI's existence, no new gun laws were passed that had any effect whatsoever on a law abiding gun owner and in fact some good ones were passed.

It wasn't for lack of trying that the anti-gun laws weren't passed. It was hard work on a lot of people's part that kept any new anti-gun legislation from being passed prior to 2013.

Then again, what do I know.

Well if you are trying to tell me to save my money with them now, I'm all ears..
Is my inference you consider MSI has devolved from a higher stature correct?

One thing with gun laws in Maryland you must consider from 10 years ago to today is demographics. Don't pat yourself too hard considering those numbers were much more favorable in Maryland years ago. It is only going to get worse.

 

[Mr H]

Well, it involves citizens and a league, so maybe softball? Bowling? It's gotta be good, whatever, and people might be prompted to ask. Maybe VCDL has some valuable experience and a practiced response that leads into their spiel. Maybe the answer to the questions you got is "All of the above," because it applies. Defenders of freedom. The word "defense" connotes good things. Maybe that's why the War Department became the Department of Defense.

Much of that was in the Pre-Newtown world. But, even before that, several of us saw a shift coming, and prepared best we could with limited manpower. We were, IMO, pretty well positioned to rally the troops once FSA13 rose from the slab.

What pisses people off is that it wasn't stopped. There was no way to do that, but I can guarantee you that people better than I were in the halls and working the backchannels to fight off what we could. Without that effort, everything in that monstrosity would have wreaked near-permanent havoc on 2A in MD.

There was no 'failing' period in the life of MSI. Just different ones, with different challenges... and I've been very proud to be a part of it.

 

[Jim12]

Much of that was in the Pre-Newtown world. But, even before that, several of us saw a shift coming, and prepared best we could with limited manpower. We were, IMO, pretty well positioned to rally the troops once FSA13 rose from the slab.

What pisses people off is that it wasn't stopped. There was no way to do that, but I can guarantee you that people better than I were in the halls and working the backchannels to fight off what we could. Without that effort, everything in that monstrosity would have wreaked near-permanent havoc on 2A in MD.

There was no 'failing' period in the life of MSI. Just different ones, with different challenges... and I've been very proud to be a part of it.

Well, that's why it's said they never let a good crisis go to waste -- plans are on the shelf, ready for the right shtf moment to employ them. You guys did yeoman's work pulling the community together, assembling your teams and arguments, and incorporating some warm bodies like me who were willing to march when and where told. But it was an eye opener as to how tyrannical, myopic, and truly monolithic the Dem power structure in Maryland is -- they employed the same strongarm, shutout tactics that Obama, Reid, and Pelosi used in passing Obamacare. And they aren't going to change, so we must.

 

[montoya32]

Well if you are trying to tell me to save my money with them now, I'm all ears..
Is my inference you consider MSI has devolved from a higher stature correct?

One thing with gun laws in Maryland you must consider from 10 years ago to today is demographics. Don't pat yourself too hard considering those numbers were much more favorable in Maryland years ago. It is only going to get worse.

Please take what I am about to say as something I am expressing for the potential to improve the environment of this forum and your own success on this forum.

You tend to come across as a pessimistic nay sayer, similar to the naboob. While you have been supportive of my endeavors, you come across much differently to some. You also come across much differently in person than you do on the forum, which I think is no all that uncommon for many. I just don't want to see some, whom I feel can be very productive, supportive and effective members of our community be ignored because of an incorrect perception.

I am well aware that nothing is perfect and our local community is nearly entirely made up of volunteers, and with things as they currently are, it is difficult to change, especially without funding, and or more invested and dedicated participants.

As for the events yesterday and the direction of some of the local organizations, I completely agree. I am not saying the local organizations are wrong, just that I agree with the impressions of those who expressed their feelings and thought in this thread.

For me personally, I have decided to largely focus on the wear and carry process and the handgun permit review board, more specifically. I feel that this allows me to become educated and proficient in my activism and support of others. While MSI specifically was formed to fight for the rights of Marylanders to carry, I can completely understand their broadening approach with the cross contamination of the laws in our state. Would we be better served with a singular focus by MSI, possibly and possibly not. As with anything in life, no one person or organization can be experts on all aspects of any topic.

Let me be clear, I am supportive and appreciative of all that our local organizations had done. I have had direct contact with several of them and they all have the highest of intentions and do their individual best to be as effective and persistent as possible.

This is a very complex and difficult problem to solve. We obviously do not have the funds required to make a substantial push in any direction and this is the most crippling thing to overcome, especially in an economy where surplus income is at a premium.

We just all need to keep plugging, supporting those we feel comfortable supporting or continuing to do what we can.

 

[Gryphon]

No one in the GA is going to take a group comprised of 95% white men seriously when we claim a law is racist.

Ding Ding Ding Ding. Chicken dinner. I hate the "race card" no matter who is throwing it down - it's racist.

 

[Schipperke]

My opinions carry no weight with anyone (and am often reminded), not unlike many others who post here. However when I see the President of MSI and owner of this board at odds, that does peak an interest, and not only to me, let me assure you.

The thin skin and frailty of many pro 2A professionals here when confronted with dissent or "debbie downers" is really not too reassuring. If you are coming from a strong position, any chatter perceived negative should just roll off without comment. What is remarkable is that near any hair brain idea that gets shot at, there are others that support it without any attempt to logically defend it, but just start "what are you doing? , huh huh..".

 

[EL1227]

You might want to still do some more research. Your lack of depth of understanding on the history of this movement and the people involved is pretty astonishing for someone who is making a lot of bold statements.

The funny-ironic thing here is that several of us have laid out the history and the evolution--warts and all--and still people only see what is in their ken, not looking past the end of their protest sign.

What I really got a sad chuckle out of was that because there was less perceived progress in the years before, it's doomed to failure in the future.

These same people are around today.

The odds were even less in our favor, but we preserved. Keep in mind that AG Joe Curran's Special Report, "A FAREWELL TO ARMS - The Solution to Gun Violence in America" was published in 1999. By the time these pics were taken, in all reality, we should have been run out of the state, let alone standing in protest on Lawyers Mall.

OBTW, Joe Curran was O'Malley's father-in-law ... so we knew what we we're up against being so small in numbers ... "Is the price we pay for indulging the minority who own handguns really worth it?" O'Malley took his father-in-law's words to heart when he became governor.

Do we need to improve our ground game, sure. Do we need better organization, sure. Do we need better PR, sure. Do we need more people who care enough to stand up and say "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore" ? That's for damn sure.

 

[Norton]

Well if you are trying to tell me to save my money with them now, I'm all ears..
Is my inference you consider MSI has devolved from a higher stature .

Cause that's exactly what I said.

 

[Jim12]

These same people are around today.

The odds were even less in our favor, but we preserved. Keep in mind that AG Joe Curran's Special Report, "A FAREWELL TO ARMS - The Solution to Gun Violence in America" was published in 1999. By the time these pics were taken, in all reality, we should have been run out of the state, let alone standing in protest on Lawyers Mall.

OBTW, Joe Curran was O'Malley's father-in-law ... so we knew what we we're up against being so small in numbers ...

"Is the price we pay for indulging the minority who own handguns really worth it?"

Do we need to improve our ground game, sure. Do we need better organization, sure. Do we need better PR, sure. Do we need more people who care enough to stand up and say "We're mad as hell and we're not going to take it anymore" ? That's for damn sure.

MSI used to attract younger, thinner, darker-haired white men. What happened?