Buying Powder - ID Required?

[dist1646]

Thanks. Any link to the requirement? I'm not surprised but just always cautious when people tell me that X is required and Y is not, etc.

I searched so many times trying to find it that I can't remember which site that info. was on but, it had sections of Md. statutes there. You would think that the Fire Marshal's site would have better links to this kind of information.

 

[Abulg1972]

I'll search COMAR and use the google machine. She seemed pretty adamant that a licensee must record buyer info.

 

[Abulg1972]

And I really don't understand the 5 lbs of smokeless plus 5 lbs of black. You ever seen the difference between what happens when you touch a match to black powder and what happens when you touch a match to smokeless? Anyway ... A discussion for another day.

 

[dist1646]

I'll search COMAR and use the google machine. She seemed pretty adamant that a licensee must record buyer info.

Yes, they do have to record buyer info.. Please post the actual reg. when you find it. Maybe they didn't ask for mine because I have done a LOT of business there and they know my info. by heart. It has been quite a while since the last time I have been there though. Hmm, road trip!

 

[Melnic]

Basspro has a red folder
Records DL info with a pen only
No photo copy going on there
They have multiple folders
Seems like one per register section

 

[K31]

Yes, dealers are required to record your name, address,date of sale, and amount, and to make that information available to the Fire Marshall or other LEOs.

No, this has nothing to do with the phony-baloney ammo log that had no basis in law.

No, there is no requirement for a type identification. That doesn't mean someone can't ask for one to cover their butt.

§ 11-112. Records and reports of manufacturers and dealers.
(a) Records.-
(1) Each manufacturer and each dealer shall keep, for all explosives
shipped, purchased, or sold, a record that includes:
(i) the name and address of each consignee, buyer, or seller of the
explosives;
(ii) the date of each shipment, purchase, or sale; and
(iii) the amount and description of the explosives.
(2) Each record kept under this subsection shall at all times be open for
inspection by agents of the licensing authority and by federal, State, and
local law enforcement officers.
(3)
(i) Subject to subparagraph (ii) of this paragraph, each manufacturer
and each dealer shall provide a copy of each record kept under this
subsection to the State Fire Marshal in the form that the State Fire
Page9Marshal requires.
(ii) A record kept under this subsection shall be provided on request, but
need not be filed more than once in each calendar month.

 

[Mike4Maryland]

Gee, so many "lawyers" in this thread!

 

[GTOGUNNER]

Maryland Code
PUBLIC SAFETY
TITLE 11. EXPLOSIVES

 

[Abulg1972]

Gee, so many "lawyers" in this thread!

Well, there's at least one for sure.

 

[Abulg1972]

Yes, dealers are required to record your name, address,date of sale, and amount, and to make that information available to the Fire Marshall or other LEOs.

No, this has nothing to do with the phony-baloney ammo log that had no basis in law.

No, there is no requirement for a type identification. That doesn't mean someone can't ask for one to cover their butt.

Thank you! I'm guessing that it's just easier to copy the license that stand there and write everything down.

 

[Trigger Time]

I know BPS always records my Dl info, Bart's (closed now) and Clyde's never asked for ID.

 

[tdt91]

Im open to any help or leads on good stores that you want to give.

PM sent

 

[byf43]

Easy remedy for all of this.

1. Buy 5 lbs of powder.
2. Go home and transfer powder into small brass containers with lead or jacketed caps/lids.
3. Go buy 5 more pounds of powder and repeat.
4. There's no limit to the number of brass containers that you're allowed to have.



Now, wasn't that easy???

 

[Blacksmith101]

Travel North or East of the Mason Dixon line to buy your powder and you won't have the problem.

 

[Tracker]

I try to limit the amount of powder I keep but my old Lee manual shows 20 different powders for a 357mag 148grn wadcutter load. Some of them are less than 3 grains. It is going to take a lot of reloading to use up 1lb of powder at that rate. So much for experimenting to find the best one. Too bad they don't sell little 2oz containers of the stuff.

 

[Pinecone]

So, a 4-page thread with no definitive or official analysis other that what a bunch of people say the law is based on a reading of what Black's Law Dictionary says "possess" and "store" mean. It's not a Fire Marshall requirement. It's a state law.

Public Safety Article, 11-105(d).

(d) Exceptions -- Possession of explosives for use in firearms. --

(1) Subject to paragraph (2) of this subsection, a person need not obtain a license to possess or store up to 5 pounds of smokeless powder for the loading or reloading of small arms ammunition, and up to 5 pounds of black powder for the loading or reloading of small arms ammunition or for use in the loading of antique arms or replicas of antique arms, if the smokeless powder and black powder are stored in their original shipping containers and are possessed only for personal use in firearms.

(2) A person may not possess or store explosives for use in firearms in any quantity in multifamily dwellings, apartments, dormitories, hotels, schools, other public buildings, or buildings or structures open for public use.

I'm not a gambling man. I wouldn't want to be standing next to my defense attorney trying to argue to a judge that the other 10 pounds "stored" in my house next to my 5 pounds belonged to my wife and son. I note that the prior version of the law prohibited more than 10 pounds in a dwelling. One would need to go back to the legislative history and committee notes to determine whether there was an articulated reason for changing it from dwelling to "store."

I don't really care too much about the 5 lb limit. The point of my question was to ascertain whether there's some legal requirement to hand over my ID for registration.

Are each you, your wife, and child persons?

This does mean you dog does not count.

 

[Pinecone]

I know BPS always records my Dl info, Bart's (closed now) and Clyde's never asked for ID.

Bass Pro is the only one that has recorded my info.

I have purchased at Continental once, but I don't remember if they recorded or not.

Easy answer, buy in PA or VA or Internet.

 

[Pinecone]

I try to limit the amount of powder I keep but my old Lee manual shows 20 different powders for a 357mag 148grn wadcutter load. Some of them are less than 3 grains. It is going to take a lot of reloading to use up 1lb of powder at that rate. So much for experimenting to find the best one. Too bad they don't sell little 2oz containers of the stuff.

So you only buy one pound of that powder.

And of course, once the pound is opened and partially used, it doesn't count any more does it?

 

[Abulg1972]

Are each you, your wife, and child persons?



This does mean you dog does not count.

You guys can parse this statute all you want. Parsing statutes is what I do for a living and I'm telling you, again, that I would not want to be standing next to Billy Murphy, my defense attorney, while he argues that the 10 pounds of power in my lockbox belong to my wife and son and should not be aggregated with the 5 pounds that I claim are mine.

 

[Abulg1972]

Easy remedy for all of this.



1. Buy 5 lbs of powder.

2. Go home and transfer powder into small brass containers with lead or jacketed caps/lids.

3. Go buy 5 more pounds of powder and repeat.

4. There's no limit to the number of brass containers that you're allowed to have.







Now, wasn't that easy???

So, the words, "if stored in original shipping containers" can be ignored?

I've got my answer guys. Thanks!