Carly Fiorina stance on the 2nd amendant

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  • jleemd99

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    Oct 30, 2011
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    I really like Fiorina. She seems knowledgable, can cite specifics about her positions, and can communicate effectively. She also seems to have a knack of not falling into the traps that media tries to lay out. Did anyone see her exchange with Chris Matthews after her debate? She left him pretty speechless.
     

    Jim12

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    Ever been to India? As their standard of living improves, they can afford to buy American brand products and services -- which they love to do. And there are lots of them.
     

    teratos

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    Ever been to India? As their standard of living improves, they can afford to buy American brand products and services -- which they love to do. And there are lots of them.

    Still doesn't help OUR Country as much as keeping those jobs here.
     

    Jim12

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    Still doesn't help OUR Country as much as keeping those jobs here.

    Could we even meet the demand for qualified call center people if we did keep them here? I thought there was a shortage of IT people.

    We need a balance, which includes growing markets for exports and balance of trade. One of the first things Indians buy when they can afford it is a cell phone. e.g. Apple iPhones, Qualcomm and nVidia chips. American technology.
     

    BeoBill

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    Ever been to India? As their standard of living improves, they can afford to buy American brand products and services -- which they love to do. And there are lots of them.

    :lol: :lol2:

    Those American brand products are subcontracted by Chinese manufacturers to Vietnam and Thailand. And the services come from Europe and less affluent parts of India. Google "BRICS," "AIIB" and "Silk Road." Thanks for playing. NEXT!

    :sad20:
     

    Jim12

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    :lol: :lol2:

    Those American brand products are subcontracted by Chinese manufacturers to Vietnam and Thailand. And the services come from Europe and less affluent parts of India. Google "BRICS," "AIIB" and "Silk Road." Thanks for playing. NEXT!

    :sad20:

    Well, on my trip to India those Chinese knockoffs of McDonald's, Burger King, Subway, Coca Cola, Four Seasons, Marriott, Baskin Robbins, and dozens of other American brands sure fooled me. Thanks for setting me straight.
     

    kcbrown

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    Jun 16, 2012
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    Ever been to India? As their standard of living improves, they can afford to buy American brand products and services -- which they love to do. And there are lots of them.

    Bolded emphasis mine.

    Yes, they can buy American brand products and services -- products and services that are produced somewhere other than America, by people other than Americans.

    And as the standard of living of those people in India increases, so do their wages, and that makes them less competitive in the marketplace. Eventually, they will be cast aside the same way Americans have been.

    How exactly does that benefit us, as a country and people, in the end?

    It does have the temporary effect of making it "possible" for us to afford things that we otherwise couldn't. But it's not sustainable, because the way we "afford" those things is by going into debt at the same time our unemployment increases. Meanwhile, because our unemployment increases, the demand for government subsidies (e.g., unemployment benefits) increases, which increases the amount of revenue the government needs to collect in order to pay for those services, which increases income taxes, which increases the cost of living and, thus, reduces our ability to pay for those foreign-made goods and services while simultaneously increasing the cost to hire an American worker, which makes Americans even less competitive than before.

    As lack of price competitiveness of American labor is precisely the "reason" the entire cycle began in the first place, what you have in the above is called a positive feedback loop. And it can end in only one way: the utter destruction of the U.S. economy, and a transformation of American society into one which has complete dependence on, and thus is completely dominated by, the government.


    If you want to fix that issue, you have to break the feedback loop somehow. I know of no way to accomplish that except perhaps through tariffs, and those have to be done very carefully. Take a hamfisted approach and you'll end up destroying the competitiveness of what little American industry remains because it'll have no incentive to compete.

    Foreign competition is useful and, indeed, necessary. But it cannot help in an environment in which Americans are taxed to the point of noncompetitiveness.
     

    Blacksmith101

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    Jun 22, 2012
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    Things are made in China and elsewhere because those people are willing to work hard for lower wages than our soon to be mandated $15.00 "minimum" wage. If things were made in America Americans could not afford to buy them even with a $15 wage.
     

    rico903

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    May 2, 2011
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    Still doesn't help OUR Country as much as keeping those jobs here.

    Everyone harps on this but our labor force isn't competitive in the business world. Big corporations are stock holder driven and I'd bet that 90% of the people on this board have some retirement funds in mutual funds whether they know it or not so they are in effect stock holders. Everyone clammers for big returns on their investments yet bitches when corporations do whatever they can to increase their bottom line. Do I really like it, NO. But I'm one of those retirement fund holders who watch the returns closely. You just can't have it both ways.Heck, you can't even buy an American car anymore that doesn't have a large % of foreign parts.
     

    Jim12

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    How many people did she send to the unemployment line? 18, 000? Yeah, not a fan.

    A tiny number, compared to the new businesses that were spawned by it, and eventual jobs saved.

    A tiny number, compared to those lost because of the overburdensome regulations being enacted every single day by Obama.

    Are you paying any attention at all to what's going on in the energy industry right now with layoffs, or what occurred during the reorganizations of the airline, automobile, steel, and other industries? Do you blame the CEO's of those companies?

    Are you paying any attention at all to the times and circumstances under which this occurred?

    Are you paying any attention at all to the subsequent analyses of the merger that largely rate it as a "brilliant" move by her?

    If she wants to down-size government and to cut the regulatory morass, and with it tens or hundreds of thousands of government jobs, are you going to gripe about that?

    Or do you want her to employ more bureaucrats?
     

    MikeTF

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    HP should have never merged with Compaq, period! HP was an innovative company started in a garage by innovative people. It had world renown innovative products and outstanding customer support. If Carly was an innovator, she would have grown HP and driven Compaq out of business, while maintaining the corporate culture of success. All she did was decimate the culture and add a defunct Compaq (not an innovator) to the mix. From the big picture, she lacked vision. Her claim to fame: mergers, not innovation. We need innovation and growth, not shrinkage.
     

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