Stripped lowers legal?

[Shamr0ck]

Jim - before making the drive to Carroll county, call the good folks over at duffys.

In another thread, they mentioned getting their CNC engraver setup.

Happy to do business with bollingers or duffys and given how much I like a hotdog from Harry's or breakfast at baughers I'd choose bollingers.

If drive time is an issue and duffys is ready to go, they are closest for you



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Shamr0ck

 

[j_h_smith]

Thanks!

Jim Smith

 

[Pinecone]

I just had a thought, could MD be requiring 77R for lowers so that they can figure out if you built a legal version if it ever comes up?

They find you with 4 ARs, two HBAR and two standard barrel, all built on stripped lowers. Makes it easy for them to run the serial numbers and see if the post Oct lowers are the HBARs.

 

[Rob Jones]

I just had a thought, could MD be requiring 77R for lowers so that they can figure out if you built a legal version if it ever comes up?

They find you with 4 ARs, two HBAR and two standard barrel, all built on stripped lowers. Makes it easy for them to run the serial numbers and see if the post Oct lowers are the HBARs.

I think that is exactly why they are doing it.

 

[Franklin]

You would be on the record regardless. They know of every shotgun you have bought from a store.

I just had a thought, could MD be requiring 77R for lowers so that they can figure out if you built a legal version if it ever comes up?

They find you with 4 ARs, two HBAR and two standard barrel, all built on stripped lowers. Makes it easy for them to run the serial numbers and see if the post Oct lowers are the HBARs.

 

[rbird7282]

Any idea what those are running for? Also, flat top or no?

I was at Engage yesterday. They have tons of different uppers. You won't leave empty handed. Andy and the gang will take care of you.

 

[fabsroman]

I just had a thought, could MD be requiring 77R for lowers so that they can figure out if you built a legal version if it ever comes up?

They find you with 4 ARs, two HBAR and two standard barrel, all built on stripped lowers. Makes it easy for them to run the serial numbers and see if the post Oct lowers are the HBARs.

They are doing it this way because it would give them the means to check the matter in the field. However, they could always charge you then contact the manufacturer to see when the receiver was manufactured.

 

[rbird7282]

You would be on the record regardless. They know of every shotgun you have bought from a store.

No they don't. You don't fill out any MD paperwork when you buy a shotgun.

 

[dblas]

You would be on the record regardless. They know of every shotgun you have bought from a store.

Ummm, No, MSP has no clue what shotguns you have bought, or bolt action rifles or lever action rifles. The above does not require an MSP 77R to purchase.

 

[jonnyl]

Sheesh!! I go on vacation for a couple weeks and come back to find that I can buy a stripped lower in MD and carry a pistol in DC!!! WTF has happended!!! (I know the stay went into effect on the Palmer case, but it was there for a couple days)

Puts me in a good mood!!! Might need to start a pistol build!!!

 

[Pinecone]

You would be on the record regardless. They know of every shotgun you have bought from a store.

Uh, no. The store keeps the 4473. They are not turned over to the state. They are supposed to be turned over to BATFE if, and only if, the store goes out of business.

Only way the State would know what you bought cash and carry is if they visited every store and made note of every firearm sold.

And that still would not cover out of state purchases. Legal anywhere since 1986. Prior to 1986, back to 1968, you could only purchase i adjacent states, but still no MD records of those sales. And then there are the prior to 1968 purchases that had NO controls. No FFLs, no limits on buying through the mail, no form 4473.

And, and don't forget military, who could buy in their state of posting on PCS orders. Again, no MD records.

Or those buying in their home state and moving to MD.

And don't forget FTF sales. Of ALL firearms prior to Oct 1996, but still legal for non-regulated or -banned firearms.

LOTS of firearms in MD that the State had NO idea they are here and in whose hands.

 

[Pinecone]

They are doing it this way because it would give them the means to check the matter in the field. However, they could always charge you then contact the manufacturer to see when the receiver was manufactured.

That would only be good if the receiver was made after Oct 1, 2013. Say a dealer had 10 lowers in stock as of Oct 1, 2013. But could not sell them until a couple of weeks ago. May be well pre-Oct 2013 manufacture, but not pre-Oct 2013 sale.

Hmm, I wonder about purchase order sales. You could have a purchase order for a receiver pre-Oct 2013, but it was not made and delivered until post-Oct 2013. Only the 77R would know for sure. And is a purchase order pre-Oct receiver a pre-Oct receiver or a post-Oct receiver when it comes to how you build it out??????

But with 77R for all lowers (pre- and post-Oct 2013), there is no big deal, they have the info in black and white.

 

[swinokur]

281 stated if a dealer had a PO for or a lower in stock before Oct 1, it could be sold.

 

[thomfantomas]

from a different thread someone stated 7 day wait for pick up? but i thought it was 8 days?

 

[swinokur]

That wording was on the old 77r. The new form simply states "after 7 days". The FFL decides AFAIK.

The example they use is buying on a Monday and the 7 day is Sunday, so you pick up Monday..

 

[outrider58]

Talked to my FFL the other day.......stripped lowers are legal in Md. Not sure about pistols but rifles must have H-bars. You can even build your own SBRs if you have a trust.

 

[thomfantomas]

That wording was on the old 77r. The new form simply states "after 7 days". The FFL decides AFAIK.

The example they use is buying on a Monday and the 7 day is Sunday, so you pick up Monday..

thanks

 

[swinokur]

Talked to my FFL the other day.......stripped lowers are legal in Md. Not sure about pistols but rifles must have H-bars. You can even build your own SBRs if you have a trust.

You can build an SBR as an individual. A Trust is not required.

 

[dblas]

Sheesh!! I go on vacation for a couple weeks and come back to find that I can buy a stripped lower in MD and carry a pistol in DC!!! WTF has happended!!! (I know the stay went into effect on the Palmer case, but it was there for a couple days)

Puts me in a good mood!!! Might need to start a pistol build!!!

You need to go on vacation again, we are waiting for the ruling in Kolbe v O'Malley.

Go on, git......

 

[NoFro]

Has MSP said anything yet about why they are treating lowers as regulated firearms? Just curious if they have actually tried fielding that question.

The last response from them posted here (I believe) was an email explaining that they are firearms, but didnt go any farther than that. Im sure they have been collecting plenty of $10 fees and making plenty of people wait 7 days in the meantime...