Larry Hogan "supports" the second amendment...

[eruby]

That is a fairly large assumption, given he has not said in public he would NOT do anything.

I do, however, agree with the good Dr. in the feeling of being friends in a room talking about firearms, but being a leper in public.

this this and this. The second he starts talking about repealing the FSA to give a few of you warm fuzzies, is the second he can kiss his chances good bye. the dems will portray him as a gun toting nut that doesn't care about the kids etc...

I agree with both of these posts 100%

Politics is a dirty game and if we are 'lepers' in public, but that gets Hogan elected, I am fine with that.

 

[dblas]

Don't get me wrong, I agree with the above and have been saying that from the beginning.

 

[Straightshooter]

I heard that come from him. There were others in the room including John Josselyn, Del. Smigiel, Andi Morony, Dan Blasberg.....

It was the super-secret meeting that Dan posted about the day it happened.

Um..No he did not post about the meeting the next day except to say that Hogan was a better choice for us than Craig because he had a meeting with MSI & AGC and Craig hadn't at that point. The substance of the meeting wasn't released for another two weeks and only after getting Hogan's permission. Now, I wonder just who it may have been that set that meeting up ....Hmmmm?

 

[dblas]

Um..No he did not post about the meeting the next day except to say that Hogan was a better choice for us than Craig because he had a meeting with MSI & AGC and Craig hadn't at that point. The substance of the meeting wasn't released for another two weeks and only after getting Hogan's permission. Now, I wonder just who it may have been that set that meeting up ....Hmmmm?

As I said in my post, Hogan asked for the meeting.

You are correct, it took some time to get permission for the details.

Are you still sticking by your comment earlier of being all in for Hogan, since Craig didn't make it?

 

[andimorony]

I must say that I am not at all impressed with how Mr. Hogan "supports" the 2A in the public arena. I hate being treated like a friend in private but a leper in public.

Hairboy, I understand what you are saying but at the end of the day, as long as he is good for his word, I am absolutely fine with him (or any other anti tax, pro 2A legislator) picking their own strategy and which policy they want to emphasize and which they don't.

Then again I made this decision back in February/March when they asked me to be County Chair for them and have had the benefit of time to think on it all.

 

[Straightshooter]

Of course I'll vote for him. What other choice is there but I will hold my nose as I make the choice. With his Grab of the ChangD.org money and loaning himself money to reach the marching finds level and this two faced attitude toward us to gain our support, he has shown himself to be the typical politician that he professes not to be

 

[teratos]

Hairboy, I understand what you are saying but at the end of the day, as long as he is good for his word, I am absolutely fine with him (or any other anti tax, pro 2A legislator) picking their own strategy and which policy they want to emphasize and which they don't.

Then again I made this decision back in February/March when they asked me to be County Chair for them and have had the benefit of time to think on it all.

I have no problem with him not making a big deal about the 2A. I do think when someone who is pro-2A approaches his campaign personally and wants to hear for themselves what he will do they should be able to get more than an generic response. Frosh says he supports the 2A, too......

 

[mdram]

just saw this tid bit

http://www.wbal.com/article/108750/3/gubernatorial-candidates-point-fingers-over-beretta-move

"Hogan also says, in spite of the wishes of his fellow Republicans, he would not ask the legislature to repeal the gun law, noting it could not get through the legislature."

 

[mudskipper]

That's exactly what I was thinking.

Choice-A) Four more years of incranmental gun bans

Choice-B) Four years of a static situation

It's apretty sad state of affairs, but, it is what it is.

It's incredibly foolish to think that Hogan will not also support incremental gun bans, just like Brown will. Fact - he has never, ever, ever, once pledged that he would not sign another gun ban.

What reason has he given all of you to think otherwise? He goes to considerable trouble to avoid any discussion of guns whatsoever. Why? He clearly regards 2A supporters as some kind of crazy uncle who needs to be kept locked up in the basement - this is readily apparent from his considerable efforts to distance himself from you during the primaries. And suggesting that Berretta is leaving due to "tax issues" rather than gun bans is a lie so stupid that even the family dog could see through it. This guy is NOT a friend of the gun culture, and that A- rating means nothing. At the very least, he is taking your support for granted while promising to do nothing for you.


Look, Brown is going to win anyway, so really, it doesn't matter who you vote for... BUT, you do have the opportunity here to send a message to the GOP in MD, and all around the country, by withdrawing your support from Hogan and voting 3rd party for another ticket.

When it becomes known that snubbing gun owners can cost a sizeable fraction of the vote, then perhaps other candidates will learn something. When it becomes clear that Hogan lost by 25% (due to gun owners not voting for him) rather than losing by 10% (because dems outnumber R's by 10% here) then it will be obvious to everyone that you cannot simply take gun owners votes for granted. Likewise, a huge boost in the numbers of people voting 3rd party will also show that disaffected GOP voters who are gun owners will go elsewhere if their needs are not being addressed by their own party, will be similarly apparent.

You have an opportunity to do something meaningful here by NOT voting for Hogan.

Take advantage of it.

 

[andimorony]

I have no problem with him not making a big deal about the 2A. I do think when someone who is pro-2A approaches his campaign personally and wants to hear for themselves what he will do they should be able to get more than an generic response. Frosh says he supports the 2A, too......

If it my campaign or one that I was an advisor on, I'd be cautious too, but that's just my opinion.

 

[dblas]

Of course I'll vote for him. What other choice is there but I will hold my nose as I make the choice. With his Grab of the ChangD.org money and loaning himself money to reach the marching finds level and this two faced attitude toward us to gain our support, he has shown himself to be the typical politician that he professes not to be

I didn't ask if you were going to vote for him, I asked if you were going to stick by your comment that you would be all in in behind whomever wins the Republican Primary if it wasn't Craig.

For a refresher here is a link to my post: http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3158667&postcount=80

Please pay attention to the question at the end of my first paragraph in that post.

For a refresher, here is your reply: http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3158710&postcount=82

Please note your response.

So again, let me ask you, are you still sticking by that comment of being all in behind whomever won the Primary or are you now backing away from it?

 

[Hopalong]

First off, sorry I went dark for so long. I needed to recharge a bit after the legislative session, then some rather stressing personal stuff happened that made me stop and re-prioritize things, and now I'm about to get married. As I like to say, "life happens".

But I've been lurking and paying attention to a few things, and I feel the need to chime in on this.

I've never met Larry Hogan, and I don't claim any special insight into his personal stances or political aims. What I do know is that he is not Anthony Brown, he is not Martin O'Malley, and he is not a part of the ruling Joe Curran Annapolis syndicate. That alone is enough for me to want him to win.

Make no mistake about it, Hogan faces an uphill battle here. Anyone other than Anthony Brown would. The only way he's going to win is to pick his battles very carefully. He needs to appeal to a wide spectrum of voters to pull off a victory, which means focusing his attention on issues that appeal to a wide spectrum of voters. As much as it pains me to say it, The Second Amendment is not such an issue. If he were to run as strongly pro-2A, Brown would hammer him on it and it would cost him dearly. Given that, I am completely fine with him running his campaign as he has been with regards to 2A issues.

He's smart for saying he wouldn't repeal SB281 because he can't. The very worst thing any politician can do to ruin their (re-)election chances is to make promises they can't keep. He has given people that I know and trust assurances that he will make improvements where he can, which is with the MSP, rules and regulations, etc. He knows the legislature is unfriendly and that the best we can expect there is his veto of any new gun bills while the current court cases work out. It's not a pleasant outlook, but it's reality, and it's a reality I feel Hogan firmly grasps.

At the end of the day, the worst case scenario is that Hogan gets elected and he's not the friend of gun rights that he claimed to be. I'll still take that any day of the week over Anthony Brown because of his very publicly acknowledged stances on non-2A issues. There will be a time to take him to task over his 2A stances, but that time is after he gets elected.

 

[jpo183]

It's incredibly foolish to think that Hogan will not also support incremental gun bans, just like Brown will.

What reason has he given all of you to think otherwise? He clearly regards 2A supporters as some kind of crazy uncle who needs to be kept locked up in the basement - this is readily apparent from his considerable efforts to distance himself from you during the primaries. And suggesting that Berretta is leaving due to "tax issues" rather than gun bans is a lie so stupid that even the family dog could see through it. This guy is NOT a friend of the gun culture, and that A- rating means nothing. At the very least, he is taking your support for granted while promising to do nothing for you.

I 100% agree

 

[MDFF2008]

When it becomes known that snubbing gun owners can cost a sizeable fraction of the vote, then perhaps other candidates will learn something. When it becomes clear that Hogan lost by 25% (due to gun owners not voting) rather than losing by 10% (because dems outnumber R's by 10% here) then it will be obvious to everyone that you cannot simply take gun owners votes for granted.

This hands down is the dumbest post I've read in a long time. Hogan has a chance of winning, not a huge chance, but a chance. If we decide to be pissy little shits and whine and cry and not support him, he has no chance.

You want him to run a campaign on Republican issues in a state where Republicans are outnumbered 2:1. He's running a campaign on economic issues, where Brown is weak.

You know what Brown is offering you. If you don't do everything you can to prevent it, you deserve Brown and everything he brings.

 

[Mr H]

just saw this tid bit

http://www.wbal.com/article/108750/3/gubernatorial-candidates-point-fingers-over-beretta-move

"Hogan also says, in spite of the wishes of his fellow Republicans, he would not ask the legislature to repeal the gun law, noting it could not get through the legislature."

He should have added, "with its current membership."

His statement implies that there is no way it will change. I sure hope he doesn't mean that.

 

[tsmith1499]

It's incredibly foolish to think that Hogan will not also support incremental gun bans, just like Brown will. Fact - he has never, ever, ever, once pledged that he would not sign another gun ban.

What reason has he given all of you to think otherwise? He goes to considerable trouble to avoid any discussion of guns whatsoever. Why? He clearly regards 2A supporters as some kind of crazy uncle who needs to be kept locked up in the basement - this is readily apparent from his considerable efforts to distance himself from you during the primaries. And suggesting that Berretta is leaving due to "tax issues" rather than gun bans is a lie so stupid that even the family dog could see through it. This guy is NOT a friend of the gun culture, and that A- rating means nothing. At the very least, he is taking your support for granted while promising to do nothing for you.


Look, Brown is going to win anyway, so really, it doesn't matter who you vote for... BUT, you do have the opportunity here to send a message to the GOP in MD, and all around the country, by withdrawing your support from Hogan and voting 3rd party for another ticket.

When it becomes known that snubbing gun owners can cost a sizeable fraction of the vote, then perhaps other candidates will learn something. When it becomes clear that Hogan lost by 25% (due to gun owners not voting for him) rather than losing by 10% (because dems outnumber R's by 10% here) then it will be obvious to everyone that you cannot simply take gun owners votes for granted. Likewise, a huge boost in the numbers of people voting 3rd party will also show that disaffected GOP voters who are gun owners will go elsewhere if their needs are not being addressed by their own party, will be similarly apparent.

You have an opportunity to do something meaningful here by NOT voting for Hogan.

Take advantage of it.

He can't "promise" to do something that as Gov. he has no control over. I would rather take my chances with him than another term of O'malley Jr. NO THANK YOU.

 

[jpo183]

I would rather have a quicker decline into the toilet bowl then be in the "swirly" process.

Maryland needs a SIGNIFICANT change of course in not only 2A issues but many more areas. If the populace cannot figure that out then it NEEDS to get flushed quickly. The quicker the pain the quicker the sharper recourse. No "moderate" will "fix" MD. It is only an opportunity to stay in the "swirling" pattern.

 

[Hopalong]

I would rather have a quicker decline into the toilet bowl then be in the "swirly" process.

Maryland needs a SIGNIFICANT change of course in not only 2A issues but many more areas. If the populace cannot figure that out then it NEEDS to get flushed quickly. The quicker the pain the quicker the sharper recourse. No "moderate" will "fix" MD. It is only an opportunity to stay in the "swirling" pattern.

So are you saying that you're going to vote for Brown in November?

(Not trying to be incendiary or pick a fight, just clarifying.)

 

[Straightshooter]

I didn't ask if you were going to vote for him, I asked if you were going to stick by your comment that you would be all in in behind whomever wins the Republican Primary if it wasn't Craig.

For a refresher here is a link to my post: http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3158667&postcount=80

Please pay attention to the question at the end of my first paragraph in that post.

For a refresher, here is your reply: http://www.mdshooters.com/showpost.php?p=3158710&postcount=82

Please note your response.

So again, let me ask you, are you still sticking by that comment of being all in behind whomever won the Primary or are you now backing away from it?

There's a naked 4x8 sign frame in front of my house. Would a Hogan sign here be an indicator of support or do we need to arrange a bloodletting ceremony?

 

[mudskipper]

This hands down is the dumbest post I've read in a long time. Hogan has a chance of winning, not a huge chance, but a chance. If we decide to be pissy little shits and whine and cry and not support him, he has no chance.

You want him to run a campaign on Republican issues in a state where Republicans are outnumbered 2:1. He's running a campaign on economic issues, where Brown is weak.

You know what Brown is offering you. If you don't do everything you can to prevent it, you deserve Brown and everything he brings.

I'll refrain from making a similar personal attack against you and merely suggest that you're ..... a mistaken optimist who really means well. Bless your heart.

I don't have a dog in this fight. I can't (legally) vote in MD anymore because I don't live here. Unlike many people, instead of grumbling and whining, I actually did something about it and left. My income taxes no longer go to Annapolis - therefore I'm no longer helping pay for your right s to be trampled-on. You're welcome.,BTW...

I, however, am a pragmatist - and Hogan has no chance of winning in a state where republicans are outnumbered 2:1 (and that's before voter fraud is taken into account).So he's going to lose.


So why not take advantage of the opportunity to send a message by not supporting him because he didn't support you?

If the "expected" margin of defeat for a R candidate in MD is 10%, then people are going to take note of the R candidate losing by more than 10% - they're going to want to know why he lost by that extra margin - a margin that in other places, may mean the difference between winning and losing.

You folks in MD have the chance to do something here...

But if you keep running back to the GOP like some Stockholm-syndrome affected victim no matter how badly they treat you, well, you're just reinforcing bad behavior.