H&K p30 9mm recoil

[07g35xnick]

Does anybody here have experience with the recoil from a p30 in 9mm?
My fiancé wants one but she's tiny and semi sensitive to felt recoil. She had no problem shooting my friends fnp9.

 

[OrbitalEllipses]

How is she about weight? A steel framed gun will inherently have less felt recoil unless the bore axis is truly crazy.

 

[07g35xnick]

How is she about weight? A steel framed gun will inherently have less felt recoil unless the bore axis is truly crazy.

Can't handle all steel . So she's 5 foot 5 inch 110 lbs but lost all her muscle from leukemia

 

[offroaD]

I think she should be alright in any full size handgun. But I'm just curious, if shes good with the fn9 why bother with the P30? Plus the fn9 is like half the price.

 

[07g35xnick]

I think she should be alright in any full size handgun. But I'm just curious, if shes good with the fn9 why bother with the P30? Plus the fn9 is like half the price.

Can't find one local. She tried out about 5 or 6 today and she couldn't rack the slide on any of them until she tried the p30 lol the p30 was most comfortable as well. She didn't know the cost beforehand . I don't mind paying a lot if this is what it takes to get her excited about guns and shooting.

 

[offroaD]

Can't find one local. She tried out about 5 or 6 today and she couldn't rack the slide on any of them until she tried the p30 lol the p30 was most comfortable as well. She didn't know the cost beforehand . I don't mind paying a lot if this is what it takes to get her excited about guns and shooting.

I dug up this thing on google. They say things about the recoil that you may not like.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/150515-p30-recoil-feel.html

Did she try the 226?

 

[DoubleTap007]

See if she can try a USP Compact 9.

 

[07g35xnick]

I dug up this thing on google. They say things about the recoil that you may not like.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/150515-p30-recoil-feel.html

Did she try the 226?

she did and couldn't rack the slide lol

See if she can try a USP Compact 9.

I'll check it out. I know that she can't really cock my p2000 but it's in .357 sig so it has a stiff spring

 

[07g35xnick]

I dug up this thing on google. They say things about the recoil that you may not like.

http://www.hkpro.com/forum/hk-handgun-talk/150515-p30-recoil-feel.html

Did she try the 226?

Haha oh yea I was actually reading that thread a few hours ago. It seems they were making fun of the guy that started it because they all feel it has next to no recoil. This was the only thread I found asking about recoil. It lacks info though

 

[501st]

Can't find one local. She tried out about 5 or 6 today and she couldn't rack the slide on any of them until she tried the p30 lol the p30 was most comfortable as well. She didn't know the cost beforehand . I don't mind paying a lot if this is what it takes to get her excited about guns and shooting.

Just want to check, but is she using this method to rack the slide?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbayNc6D9HY

 

[Aamdskeetshooter]

I have a p30L. It has a half inch longer barrel. It is extremely comfortable. It recoils less than my Springfield XD. HK's are almost always a tough sell due to their price, but they are great guns.


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[07g35xnick]

Just want to check, but is she using this method to rack the slide?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbayNc6D9HY

100% exactly how I taught her to do it.

I have a p30L. It has a half inch longer barrel. It is extremely comfortable. It recoils less than my Springfield XD. HK's are almost always a tough sell due to their price, but they are great guns.


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Great goood to know thanks. I agree, I own a p2000 and love H&K !

 

[-Z/28-]

I have a p30L. It has a half inch longer barrel. It is extremely comfortable. It recoils less than my Springfield XD. HK's are almost always a tough sell due to their price, but they are great guns.


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Yep, until you shoot one. Then it's "crap, I have to find some more money".

 

[07g35xnick]

Yep, until you shoot one. Then it's "crap, I have to find some more money".

Haha. Her new p30 is secretly my new p30

 

[ShoreShooter]

Herself has a P30 9mm. I shoot it regularly.

My personal favorite is my P229 9mm.

I have not shot the FN, but ...

She liked the grip, and also liked it because she could rack the slide. She got this before I got my P229.

I think you will find the recoil pressure against the hand will be somewhat comparable, and not at all objectionable, in part because of the shape of the grip compared to some.

However, the P30 has a poly frame and is a bit lighter. Though it has a higher bore axis, my observation is it has perhaps a slightly higher degree of muzzle flip, because all of the weight is in the slide.

Both are fairly soft shooters. I am splitting hairs.

I think the two are very comparable on racking ease.

The P229 may feel easier than the P226 because of its shorter length. It is as close to identical in size to the P30 as you can get, just slightly heavier due to the metal frame.

If you look at a P229, be sure to check a model with the E2 grip, which she will prefer over the older grip style.

 

[wilcam47]

Where's K31?

 

[ShoreShooter]

Another few thoughts:

The R-51 is just now hitting stores. The write-ups promise that this is both a very soft shooter as well as being extremely easy to rack. Cheap too.

This was just announced a few days ago. All I know is what this says, but it may be what you are looking for.

http://www.carl-walther.de/cw.php?lang=en&content=products&sub=2&subsub=22&product=1975

 

[501st]

100% exactly how I taught her to do it.

Great goood to know thanks. I agree, I own a p2000 and love H&K !

If she likes the P30, you may want to consider the Walther PPQ. Similar to the P30, but less expensive and has a better trigger.

Note they offer a navy model with an extended barrel, which is slightly heavier than the standard model. (slightly better recoil mitigation)

 

[smokey]

nifty guns. Bore axis is high, and you got to learn the DA/SA trigger system. I'd say have her actually go rent some to see what she likes to shoot the best.

Problems pulling back the slide is a software issue. Have her get the mindset that she's not pulling the slide back, she's just holding on to the slide as she's pushing the frame forward. Have her hold the gun straight out with a high grip on the tang, turn it sideways(birdman style), grab on to the rear of the slide(clearing fingers of the ejection port), and push the frame forward. With straight arms, this technique uses large muscles of the chest and back instead of the puny ones in the arms and shoulders. It also keeps the gun pointed downrange for new shooters. That other technique isn't the best, as you're not pushing so much as doing a chest fly and relying largely on forearm muscles in your support hand. it's weaksauce.

For guns with a hammer, you can reduce the weight of drawing back the slide by first cocking the hammer. For them, the hammer weight is actually part of what controls recoil energy so they can have lighter main recoil springs. This slows things down a lot for malfunction clearing though, so the software should be updated so she can still draw back the slide with the hammer down...or for any striker-fired gun with a lower bore axis.



pictoral guide to racking a slide with weak grip/arms





with this method, you use chest and back muscles to push the frame. You use bone structure in your arm to support the load on your arms, and the stress goes directly back in to your wrist instead of torquing it like the other method, relying on brachioradialis strength.

 

[NickZac]

The P30 is a great gun, but I do not think it is a good option in this particular case.

H&K's recoil reduction system reduces recoil some...the P30 is more dramatic than the USP in terms of reduction. It's improved ergos certainly help as well and it is arguably the most comfortable poly gun on the market. It is without doubt one of the most structurally sound, and like the USP, it is incredibly reliable, capable of running reliably in extremes, and designed for 6-figure round counts with virtually zero additional maintenance on top of standard minor/major service plus a few simple spring swaps.

It is a great gun, but worth noting that depending on the springs/trigger, you may not have a lot of luck cycling 115gr ammo...IIRC it is the heavier LEMs which increase the chance that the gun will not fire. How the gun is held often affects if/how much of an issue this is, and the ammo itself can have an affect too as some value 115gr ball ammo is pretty weak.




With that said, the reason I noted I do not personally think this is the best option is because the gun is a semiautomatic. If one has serious issues with muscle mass, wrist, and/or grip, I would argue that a revolver is, by far, the best choice.

Any semiautomatic is going to be prone to a malfunction if it is not held in a certain fashion...if the wrist/arm moves with the recoil, the wrist movement itself more or less absorbs some of the backwards energy generated from the fired round that is required to push the slide back, eject the spent casing, and then chamber a new round from the magazine...if the wrist offsets too much of this energy, the slide will not open wide enough to completely eject the spent casing, and the spent casing will become lodged in the ejection port, preventing the gun from being able to fire. Once this occurs, clearing it requires a drill that must be done quickly (and sometimes very forcefully with the ability to grasp, pry, and forcefully rack)...otherwise, the gun is 100% useless at that point. If grip strength/wrist strength is an issue, it sounds like this is a very real possibility. A wheel gun does not have this issue, and I would argue that a 4 inch revolver shooting .38 is easier to manage and has dramatically less recoil than even a light-shooting 9mm. A Smith Model 64 or 10 in .38 special presents a nice medium frame that is not as heavy as most 4 inch guns, but is heavy enough to offset a major portion of the recoil...a good Hogue grip with finger grooves will give this fantastic grip retention. The intended usage is the biggest thing as to if this is something of greater or lesser importance. If the firearm is to be used for self-defense, this is arguably more important than if it is just a range plinker.

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