Semi auto rifle in .308 not on ban list?

[smokey]

§ 5-101(p) Assault weapon
.- "Assault weapon" means any of the following specific firearms or their copies regardless of which company produced and manufactured that firearm:
( 1 ) American Arms Spectre da Semiautomatic carbine
( 2 ) AK-47 in all forms
( 3 ) Algimec AGM-1 type semi-auto
( 4 ) AR 100 type semi-auto
( 5 ) AR 180 type semi-auto
( 6 ) Argentine L.S.R. semi-auto
( 7 ) Australian Automatic Arms SAR type semi-auto
( 8 ) Auto-Ordnance Thompson M1 and 1927 semi-automatics
( 9 ) Barrett light .50 cal. semi-auto
(10) Beretta AR70 type semi-auto
(11) Bushmaster semi-auto rifle
(12) Calico models M-100 and M-900
(13) CIS SR 88 type semi-auto
(14) Claridge HI TEC C-9 carbines
(15) Colt AR-15, CAR-15, and all imitations except Colt AR-15 Sporter H-BAR rifle
(16) Daewoo MAX 1 and MAX 2, ak a AR 100, 110C, K-1, and K-2
(17) Dragunov Chinese made semi-auto
(18) Famas semi-auto (.223 caliber)
(19) Feather AT-9 semi-auto
(20) FN LAR and FN FAL assault rifle
(21) FNC semi-auto type carbine
(22) F.I.E./Franchi LAW 12 and SPAS 12 assault shotgun
(23) Steyr-AUG-SA semi-auto
(24) Galil models AR and ARM semi-auto
(25) Heckler and KOCH HK-91 A3, HK-93 A2, HK-94 A2 and A3
(26) Holmes model 88 shotgun
(27) Avtomat Kalashnikov semiautomatic rifle in any format
(28) Manchester Arms "Commando" MK-45, MK-9
(29) Mandell TAC-1 semi-auto carbine
(30) Mossberg model 500 Bullpup assault shotgun
(31) Sterling Mark 6
(32) P.A.W.S. carbine
(33) Ruger mini-14 folding stock model (.223 caliber)
(34) SIG 550/551 assault rifle (.223 caliber)
(35) SKS with detachable magazine
(36) AP-74 Commando type semi-auto
(37) Springfield Armory BM-59, SAR-48, G3, SAR-3, M-21 sniper rifle, M1A, excluding
the M1 Garand
(38) Street sweeper assault type shotgun
(39) Striker 12 assault shotgun in all formats
(40) Unique F11 semi-auto type
(41) Daewoo USAS 12 semi-auto shotgun
(42) UZI 9mm carbine or rifle
(43) Valmet M-76 and M-78 semi-auto
(44) Weaver Arms "Nighthawk" semi-auto carbine or
(45) Wilkinson Arms 9mm semi-auto "Terry".

these are banned, anything under 29" overall length is banned, anything that has 2 out of three of **folding stock, flash suppressor, grenade launcher** is banned. Everything else remains cash and carry like any other long gun.

 

[pozzo]

I really can't believe that M1As are banned.

The 'weapons of war' crap is going to end with no guns for anyone if we don't nip this in the bud.

SERIOUSLY?!?! M1As?

I'm confused, too. I thought the M1A had enough wood that it wouldn't be considered an evil black rifle.

 

[dreadpirate]

Hmm - HK91 A4 is ok? Folding stock??

 

[ObsceneJesster]

Hmm - HK91 A4 is ok? Folding stock??

Yea, I don't see that listed either. Also, the HK91/G3 isn't listed either.

 

[-Z/28-]

Yea, I don't see that listed either. Also, the HK91/G3 isn't listed either.

The G3 is there under Springfield Armory G3/SAR-8. Regardless I think all G3/HK91 variants/clones are out under the copy cat clause.

 

[Jaybeez]

The G3 is there under Springfield Armory G3/SAR-8. Regardless I think all G3/HK91 variants/clones are out under the copy cat clause.

it says specific firearms and their copies

they list specific model, so copies apply to those specific models

they also list general firearms like "kalishnikov rifles in any format", so copies of those. however I think since "kalishnikov rifles in any format" is completely not specific it should be tossed

 

[Sam Salvati]

slim pickins indeed!

 

[kenpo333]

Nice gun. My FNAR brass always lands in a neat 6" circle - I take that as a sign of quality.

My FNAR is one of the most accurate semi auto rifles I've fired. As accurate as most of my bolt action rifles

 

[Devil Dog]

The BM-59 is on the list. However the BM-62 is not.

BM-62:

There is also the FN-49's converted to .308 for the Argentine Navy; the closest rifle that one can get to a FAL now.

But isn't the BM 62 (and the BM 69) a copy of the BM 59 and therefore banned?

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[stupid]

I want to get a FNAR but I heard it is a huge pain to break down and clean. Any opinion on that?

 

[Scott7891]

But isn't the BM 62 (and the BM 69) a copy of the BM 59 and therefore banned?

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No because the law says specific models. The BM-59 and 62 are both marketed as different models. The BM-62 lacks the grenade launching capability that got the 59 banned to begin with. The 62 was made for ban states hence why it wasn't listed.

 

[dwsjr]

Actually you can buy any semi-auto 308 firearm you want, and any other firearm for that matter.

Just move out of this SH_ _ HOLE they call a state.

 

[Biggfoot44]

Browning BAR , Rem M742. Win M100 .

 

[Pinecone]

No because the law says specific models. The BM-59 and 62 are both marketed as different models. The BM-62 lacks the grenade launching capability that got the 59 banned to begin with. The 62 was made for ban states hence why it wasn't listed.

But copies are banned also.

 

[AssMan]

I want to get a FNAR but I heard it is a huge pain to break down and clean. Any opinion on that?

It's not as bad as people make it out to be. If you completely dissassemble the gas system after every shoot, then yes, it would be a pain. But for a casual cleaning, it's maybe 25% more effort than say - an AK. There are detailed instructions and plenty of videos online to guide you through.

 

[altima98]

Remington 750 or browning BAR

 

[Devil Dog]

But copies are banned also.

Right. I think the BM-62 is banned as a copy.

And I have to disagree: it wasn't made becuase of any "ban" issues. It was simply a commercial model of the BM-59, and the commercial model didn't need a grenade launcher, so they removed it.

I placed an order for one before Oct 1 and it will be shipped to my dealer in coming days.

 

[Devil Dog]

No because the law says specific models. The BM-59 and 62 are both marketed as different models. The BM-62 lacks the grenade launching capability that got the 59 banned to begin with. The 62 was made for ban states hence why it wasn't listed.

I don't agree with that. It also bans copies. A 62 and a 69 are copies of a 59.

 

[erwos]

The real problem is that the AG has a definition of "copy" which is defined as what a gun could be rather than what it is. It is a definition of the law which is far too expansive, and I am surprised has not been challenged. If we kill that definition and get them back to "copy is 100% the same parts or copies of the same parts", things get a lot more manageable again. It wouldn't give us back AKs or ARs, but it would open up a lot of other guns.

Unfortunately, I don't know how you challenge that definition short of becoming a test case and hoping the NRA/MSI/MLFDA/etc back you up.

 

[Scott7891]

But copies are banned also.

It would have to be a copy of that specific firearm which means it would have to have the grenade launching capability.

Based on your logic the Mini-14 should be banned too because the folding stock version is banned yet it still uses the same features, parts, and functions as a normal Mini-14 as well as the SKS because of versions that take a detachable magazine.

Right. I think the BM-62 is banned as a copy.

And I have to disagree: it wasn't made becuase of any "ban" issues. It was simply a commercial model of the BM-59, and the commercial model didn't need a grenade launcher, so they removed it.

I placed an order for one before Oct 1 and it will be shipped to my dealer in coming days.

It was a ban state compliant if you did research. The 62 came with 10 round mags and had the bayonet lug as well as muzzle device removed to make it ban state compliant.

You are confusing it with the BM-69 that kept all the features minus the grenade launcher.

I don't agree with that. It also bans copies. A 62 and a 69 are copies of a 59.

Again you are looking at it too broadly. Based on your logic the Mini-14 and SKS should be banned too.