If you want to piss off a gun control person...

[Hopalong]

...simply point out to them that:

1. The NRA is not the only organization (or individual) spending millions of dollars politicking in the gun control arena. I particular, point out to them that Michael Bloomberg alone has dropped $10 million or more on each of several ad campaigns. How many billionaires does the gun rights lobby have working for it?

2. The Brady Campaign and other gun control organizations are every bit the "obstructionist organization" that the NRA is. They consistently block any pro-gun legislation that they can and always provide supporting briefs in gun control court cases.

3. Politicians are at least as afraid of Michael Bloomberg as they are of the NRA. In particular, point out how Mayor Mike has started influencing Democratic elections to get pro-gun moderates replaced with hard-line gun control fanatics.

4. Since 2008, the gun control debate is a civil right debate, whether they agree with it or not. For particular effect, point out to them that ownership of the very guns most used to commit gun violence in the country are specifically protected under Heller.

5. Guns are not responsible for gun violence. People are. The people illegally buying and selling guns to criminals, the people who pull the trigger, and the people we elect who let the first two groups of people walk free.

I've been having some pretty interesting conversations with gun control folks, and these themes have consistently come up. They so completely buy what they see on the evening news that they don't even question it even more. Let's rattle some of their notions.

 

[dblas]

Nice, I knew I liked you when I met you...

 

[shaddydan]

Well said! And liberals are always upset unless you completely agree with them!

 

[notme0255]

Well stated and researched, I think that I'll print and carry with me for reference. I sometimes get emotional in these discussions and lose my place.

 

[Hopalong]

Nice, I knew I liked you when I met you...

Well said! And liberals are always upset unless you completely agree with them!

As much as I support the Second Amendment and love working with Shannon in Annapolis, I haven't always seen eye to eye with the NRA. And I point this out to gun control folks. Many of the talking points I bring up are not things that the NRA talk about.

Yet, when I fail to completely agree with said gun control folks, they accuse me of having "tunnel vision"' as if I'm somehow incapable of seeing "the truth". Irony much?

This would amuse me, except that it makes me sad to see that there's so much common ground that we could be building on if it weren't for ideological zealotry.



Ultimately, it all boils down to this. You can never, ever change anyone's mind. All you can do is give them information and let them make up their own minds. It's our collective job to provide that information and then leave them alone to make up their own minds. Because if we don't, folks like Bloomberg certainly will....

 

[liquidsilverr1]

Average anti response to all of your well thought out, factual, and truthful points is...

You must be some kind of gun nut.

Unfortunately the rules of debate are being broken every day, with emotions running high and facts not on their side, they resort to discredit and name calling. I will add your items to my collection of facts. Thank you for the insight.

 

[Brooklyn]

I don't talk to gun control people. I speak with people who have not made up their minds yet. That is the real way to piss off gun control folks.

The rest is noise.

 

[Brooklyn]

I don't talk to gun control people. I speak with people who have not made up their minds yet. That is the real way to piss off gun control folks.

The rest is noise.

 

[Redcobra]

...simply point out to them that:

1. The NRA is not the only organization (or individual) spending millions of dollars politicking in the gun control arena. I particular, point out to them that Michael Bloomberg alone has dropped $10 million or more on each of several ad campaigns. How many billionaires does the gun rights lobby have working for it?

2. The Brady Campaign and other gun control organizations are every bit the "obstructionist organization" that the NRA is. They consistently block any pro-gun legislation that they can and always provide supporting briefs in gun control court cases.

3. Politicians are at least as afraid of Michael Bloomberg as they are of the NRA. In particular, point out how Mayor Mike has started influencing Democratic elections to get pro-gun moderates replaced with hard-line gun control fanatics.

4. Since 2008, the gun control debate is a civil right debate, whether they agree with it or not. For particular effect, point out to them that ownership of the very guns most used to commit gun violence in the country are specifically protected under Heller.

5. Guns are not responsible for gun violence. People are. The people illegally buying and selling guns to criminals, the people who pull the trigger, and the people we elect who let the first two groups of people walk free.

I've been having some pretty interesting conversations with gun control folks, and these themes have consistently come up. They so completely buy what they see on the evening news that they don't even question it even more. Let's rattle some of their notions.

Why would numbers 1,2 and 3 piss them off?

 

[mrbunny]

Well said! And liberals are always upset unless you completely agree with them!

Ya know.. just to be fair.. alot of people here get really mad at you unless you completely agree with them!

 

[Multifaceted]

...simply point out to them that:

1. The NRA is not the only organization (or individual) spending millions of dollars politicking in the gun control arena. I particular, point out to them that Michael Bloomberg alone has dropped $10 million or more on each of several ad campaigns. How many billionaires does the gun rights lobby have working for it?

2. The Brady Campaign and other gun control organizations are every bit the "obstructionist organization" that the NRA is. They consistently block any pro-gun legislation that they can and always provide supporting briefs in gun control court cases.

3. Politicians are at least as afraid of Michael Bloomberg as they are of the NRA. In particular, point out how Mayor Mike has started influencing Democratic elections to get pro-gun moderates replaced with hard-line gun control fanatics.

4. Since 2008, the gun control debate is a civil right debate, whether they agree with it or not. For particular effect, point out to them that ownership of the very guns most used to commit gun violence in the country are specifically protected under Heller.

5. Guns are not responsible for gun violence. People are. The people illegally buying and selling guns to criminals, the people who pull the trigger, and the people we elect who let the first two groups of people walk free.

I've been having some pretty interesting conversations with gun control folks, and these themes have consistently come up. They so completely buy what they see on the evening news that they don't even question it even more. Let's rattle some of their notions.

You can tell that Vinny is pissed when he resorts to using multiple expletives. I just read the Twitter exchange between you two. Way to maintain your composure as he lashes out, he sounded more childish and sophomoric than the president did on Wednesday.

I guess the lunch plans are not in the future...

 

[Hopalong]

Why would numbers 1,2 and 3 piss them off?

Because they like to demonize the NRA for using these tactics. Pointing out to them that their side uses the same tactics makes them uncomfortable.

You can tell that Vinny is pissed when he resorts to using multiple expletives. I just read the Twitter exchange between you two. Way to maintain your composure as he lashes out, he sounded more childish and sophomoric than the president did on Wednesday.

I guess the lunch plans are not in the future...

Thanks.

The offer still stands on my end. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable taking him up on his offer to go shooting though, he seems to have a lot of anger issues.

 

[squirrels]

The best response to an Anti is to take them shooting.

They are scared because they are ignorant...in the literal sense. They don't know. The movies have taught them to be scared of guns, and politicians prey on those fears. Reason is wasted. But once they realize that they TOO can own a gun and be one of the "good guys", their entire reality changes.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

I find that if I sincerely listen to their entire argument and keep an open mind, they quickly run out of "tape". Then I find one tiny string to pull that causes a one degree change. And stop. All it takes is one shift to start the process.

*** It is impossible to legislate evil away. ***

 

[Multifaceted]

The offer still stands on my end. I'm not sure I'd be comfortable taking him up on his offer to go shooting though, he seems to have a lot of anger issues.

I agree; and how ironic is the latter of your comment.

 

[Hopalong]

The best response to an Anti is to take them shooting.

They are scared because they are ignorant...in the literal sense. They don't know. The movies have taught them to be scared of guns, and politicians prey on those fears. Reason is wasted. But once they realize that they TOO can own a gun and be one of the "good guys", their entire reality changes.

The thing is that Vinny DeMarco offered to take me shooting with some of his gun control friends. He wanted to show off his new AR!

I was speechless.

 

[Stratman60]

Anti-gunners are a different breed. It's like their looking for a cause. Set the criminals free we can't trust the police. Why do you need to hunt when you can get all the food you need in the store's. Why do you need a gun to protect yourself when there is a police force to protect you. You cannot change their minds by talking to them but we need to have a dialog with them because of the politicians. Just my opinion.

 

[ShallNotInfringe]

Why do you need a gun to protect yourself when there is a police force to protect you.

Ever try mentioning the Warren SCOTUS case?

*** It is impossible to legislate evil away. What's amazing is that liberals are willing to die trying.***

 

[Multifaceted]

The thing is that Vinny DeMarco offered to take me shooting with some of his gun control friends. He wanted to show off his new AR!

I was speechless.

What the...

Why does he need that?

 

[rdc]

The thing is that Vinny DeMarco offered to take me shooting with some of his gun control friends. He wanted to show off his new AR!

I was speechless.

Are you Fing serious??