SB 281: A summary of some key provisions as passed by the House

[72horse]

Great Idea, I'm on it! I just didn't want to open a can of worms for myself by calling the MSP and saying hey I built this rifle is it or can I make it legal just for them to say No, now lets have it!
Wat pisses me off is that the purpose of the 2nd amendment was that Government could not do just this thing to a US Citizen, make us jump through hoops!

 

[madness3120]

Big thanks to ddeanjohnson for helping us understand this B.S in plain language

 

[Song Dog]

7. "Assault" weapons and "copycat" firearms possessed as of October 1, 2013, would be grandfathered in, with no registration requirement, for both current Maryland residents and people who move to Maryland in the future. Their lawful owners may continue to possess them and to transport them. QUOTE]

So what about our 15-17 round Pistol mags and current legal 20 round AR mags already in possession so are they still LEGAL after Oct 2013 to use the mags full capacity or they die too in SB 281?

 

[psucobra96]

so it says we cant transfer 10 round mags, is this similar to our 20 round no transfer buy in Maryland now? I need to sit down and read it but I will wait until it passes for that.

 

[72horse]

That's what I want to know, if it was owned legally prior to can I still keep it? I bought 4 more just because.

 

[chillman]

Excellent explanations, thanks for taking your time to help clear some things up.

 

[madness3120]

Everything prior to Oct 1 as long as its lawfully posse u are ok. People are asking the same question over and over

 

[ddeanjohnson]

Unless there is more legal clarification from the Attorney General or MSP then any firearm you DID NOT do a MSP 77r on, that will be considered "Banned" will have to be registered before October 1st 2013. Current MSP 77r has a voluntary registrant option on it. Without registering the weapon the burden of proof may be on the owner to prove when the weapon was acquired.

The House bill explicitly grandfathers in any "assault" firearm that was "lawfully possessed" on October 1, 2013, or for which an order has been placed. A voluntary registration might be a prudent step in some particular circumstances, but I don't see how the "burden of proof" can rest anywhere but with the state.

 

[sfchoffman]

aaaah hell with it, just do what ever.......

 

[ddeanjohnson]

Would active Duty Military members stationed in Maryland but not a resident be required to register their regulated arms?

The new handgun registration requirement would apply only to "a person who moves into the state with the intent of becoming a resident." He or she "shall register all regulated firearms with the Secretary within 90 days after establishing residency."

The ATF website contains information on what they consider to be "residency," here: http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/unlicensed-persons.html#state-residency

However, I don't know if "residency" will be defined in the same way for purposes of the state law.

Members of the armed forces of the U.S. are exempt from the "assault" weapon ban "if acting within the scope of official business."

 

[clandestine]

In law, the burden of proof is always on the one making the claim, inspire of what you may hear.

Also the 5th amendment protects you from having to provide documents/information that might incriminate you.

Take pictures and get them notarized. File them away and be done with it.

The House bill explicitly grandfathers in any "assault" firearm that was "lawfully possessed" on October 1, 2013, or for which an order has been placed. A voluntary registration might be a prudent step in some particular circumstances, but I don't see how the "burden of proof" can rest anywhere but with the state.

Everything prior to Oct 1 as long as its lawfully posse u are ok. People are asking the same question over and over

Its you guys rear, not mine. See how that defense goes in front of a Jury that elected these same politicians that passed this mess, or a Judge thats part of the same political machine.

Im not obvlious about where I live. This isnt Virginia or Texas, its more like CA, NJ, or NY. I prefer to have documentation that my stuff is LEGAL so I dont have to defend myself against B.S. charges. If I ever get pulled over while armed, or questioned at a range, or questioned while hunting by a LEO I wont be having a problem. Thats preferrable in my eye instead of saying "no big deal" and end up paying hefty legal defense fees if the State goes after me.

 

[BobDobbs]

How does this apply to things like ar-10s which are cash and carry currently?
Edit: I ask since they wouldn't have a 77r as they are currently unregulated.

 

[Turbo2Point4]

Unless there is more legal clarification from the Attorney General or MSP then any firearm your DID NOT do a MSP 77r on, that will be considered "Banned" will have to be registered before October 1st 2013.

Current MSP 77r has a voluntary registrant option on it. Without registering the weapon the burden of proof may be on the owner to prove when the weapon was acquired. This is a HUGE grey area and one I would NOT want to find myself in. I don't know if there's the same $10 fee for the 77r but one 77r with extension forms will allow all questionable firearms to be registered in one shot. I already have my forms filled out and ready to be turned in when this law takes place.

For home built guns it would probably be smart to have a Make, Model, and series. # engraved on the firearm and have it registered before October 1 2013, otherwise you can't prove when it was made and making certain rifles is prohibited after 10/1/2013.

i thought aslong as you did a 77r, you didn't have to register it, regardless of whether you checked the box for voluntary registration, it just needed to be transfered to you via the 77r when you bought it.

 

[ddeanjohnson]

So what about our 15-17 round Pistol mags and current legal 20 round AR mags already in possession so are they still LEGAL after Oct 2013 to use the mags full capacity or they die too in SB 281?

That's what I want to know, if it was owned legally prior to can I still keep it? I bought 4 more just because.

After October 1, 2013, you cannot sell, offer for sale, purchase, receive, or transfer them within Maryland, with or without the gun. There would be no ban on possession and standard use of legally purchased magazines. Use of a magazine that has a capacity of more than 10 rounds in the commission of a felony or "a crime of violence," as that term is defined in Maryland law, subjects the perp to an additional penalty.

 

[240 towles]

I wonder if anyone has thought of registering a couple of unbuilt, unaquired, homemade receivers in advance. Before you buy or build anything. As you are the maker of the firearm, and therefor the writer of the serial number. You would have paperwork for any AR you would "make" in the future. Same goes for AK or similar projects, just a thought, doesn't apply to me, as I'm leaving the oppressive state.

 

[honda53s]

To me it sounds like a notarized bill of sale will work for any non regulated rifle purchase. Its time to buy a boat so I can sink it.. We use to joke about it but now its time to really blow some boats up in the bay/ocean

 

[ddeanjohnson]

How does this apply to things like ar-10s which are cash and carry currently? Edit: I ask since they wouldn't have a 77r as they are currently unregulated.

I am not really familiar with the "AR-10." If it is currently unregulated, it would not be affected by the bill unless it meets the new definition of "copycat" - see paragraphs no. 3 and 4 in my original post above. Or, unless by later interpretation it is deemed to be a "copy" of a rifle that is on the list of "assault" rifles in the Public Safety Article.

 

[obnoxious2]

I wonder if anyone has thought of registering a couple of unbuilt, unaquired, homemade receivers in advance. Before you buy or build anything. As you are the maker of the firearm, and therefor the writer of the serial number. You would have paperwork for any AR you would "make" in the future. Same goes for AK or similar projects, just a thought, doesn't apply to me, as I'm leaving the oppressive state.

If I'm not mistaken, a stripped lower is already regulated but just filled out on the 4473 as 'receiver'. No need to complete it before Oct 1.

For an 80% lower, I don't see anything on it like you say. They would have to prove you manufactured it after that Oct 1?

 

[CardBoardBoxProcessor]

my dad technically owns my M14. Should I have it transfered over to me before Oct 1st?

and how clogged up is gun buying currently? should I buy anything I want to get? :/ ugh what a mess.

 

[JAY1234]

We have been following this rape of our Constitutional rights but I wonder if people that move here from a non-socialist state will be aware of the antiquated, draconian laws that the Maryland law makers are sending to the Governor. I've been reading these proposed laws and frankly, I don't know how any of them can be enforced until and if someone is caught doing something illegal with a firearm. It also appears that if someone is transporting a firearm (regulated or not) it would behoove them to have copies of their original purchase receipts, if available. Being an old man, I learned early on to never dispose of a big ticket item sales receipt so I have all of them. I will just have to put them in the envelope with my MD designated collectors letter approval that I keep in my vehicle. I can see where there is an opening for a massive amount of harassment from overzealous LEO's. I know we have LEO's on here and I suspect they would not harass someone who checks out okay when they run their drivers license. I also would recommend that the legislators who have elevated themselves above us regular citizens to look in Webster's dictionary for the definition of the word ambiguous. Also the word
"unemployed" as I am sure some or all of the ones who voted for this atrocity of a gun grab piece of legislation will be voted out of office at the next election.