The trend of ppl hating see thru mounts.

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  • GUNMANSUPERSTAR

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    I see all these forums with ppl hating on them.I personally love them. I have a set on my 444 marlin and just bought a set online and am awaiting the arrival of them tomorrow to stick on my 45-70 guide gun. I cannot see a drawback from using them. I can hit target with my 444 everytime at 100 yards. My buddy has an H&R 45-70 single shot with see thrus and the same result. So how do you guys feel about them?
     

    kalister1

    R.I.P.
    May 16, 2008
    4,814
    Pasadena Maryland
    On close range guns I like them too. You can use the scope or the irons. For longer range, the closer you can mount the scope to the bore the better off you are.
     

    GUNMANSUPERSTAR

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    On close range guns I like them too. You can use the scope or the irons. For longer range, the closer you can mount the scope to the bore the better off you are.
    I feel they are highly effective out to 125-150 yards. That is really all the further I would shoot a guide gun even though the Hornady Leverevolution shells are made to carry 300 yards:D.
     

    Vandy

    Active Member
    Feb 27, 2007
    266
    Churchton, MD
    For me, I never saw the point. My dad has them on his 30-30 and I hate them. If I wanted a short-range gun, I would simply stick with iron sights. If I wanted a scope, the irons would never be used, so why install the see-through mounts and place the scope way too high?

    Just my opinion.
     

    vin

    Ultimate Member
    Mar 19, 2009
    1,327
    Bowie, MD
    Do they work? Yes.
    Are they a compromise? Yes.
    Do you like yours? Yes.

    ...Then who cares? It's your rifle and no one elses.
     

    Pale Ryder

    Ultimate Member
    Jan 12, 2009
    6,284
    Millersville
    People been hating them for decades. I'm OK with them, just don't prefer them.

    As to why a scope for 100 yds; I want to have the best chance of hitting the deer where I am aiming. A scope allows me to do that, open sights a little less.
     

    ohen cepel

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 2, 2011
    4,529
    Where they send me.
    I don't care for them since they create a compromise which I don't want to make. Decades ago, when scopes weren't as good they made a bit of sense, now I don't see the point in them.

    I would do a dot before I did a see through mount myself.

    However, as said, it is your rifle. Do what fits YOUR needs/wants that works for you!
     

    Boom Boom

    Hold my beer. Watch this.
    Jul 16, 2010
    16,834
    Carroll
    Why do you even need a scope for 100 yards?

    I keep asking a family member that same question. He doesn't hunt but is convinced he needs and is looking for a 9x scope for a 100-yd range at his gun club. One rifle lane is apparently 150 yards and he thinks he needs 15-25x for that one. When he brought it up again yesterday I asked if he was aiming for flies on the paper target.
     

    Boom Boom

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    Jul 16, 2010
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    Carroll
    I am BFF with that affliction. His problem is being too cheap for pay for halfway decent eyeglasses. But no problem dumping $$ on a scope.
     

    Speed3

    Ultimate Member
    Aug 19, 2011
    7,846
    MD
    I keep asking a family member that same question. He doesn't hunt but is convinced he needs and is looking for a 9x scope for a 100-yd range at his gun club. One rifle lane is apparently 150 yards and he thinks he needs 15-25x for that one. When he brought it up again yesterday I asked if he was aiming for flies on the paper target.

    I'm a big fan of scopes on my rifles, in fact I don't own a single rifle that doesn't have one. Most of my hunting rifle have a 3x9 on them, and I usually leave it on 4 or 5 power when I shoot.

    Haha...talk about over kill I was sighting in my new rifle the other day at 100 yards on 50 power :D
     

    browning guy

    SCRUFFY NERF HERDER
    Dec 10, 2009
    8,525
    Essex
    I have tons of guys who come thru the shop and we put see thru mounts on there slug guns. Lots of guys want them foe when the deer is right under the stand or in case there is an problem with there glass.

    I have them on a 35 rem I hunt in the mountains with and I must say I would prefer a good check weld over the jaw wobble I get siteing with that set up.
     

    E.Shell

    Ultimate Member
    Feb 5, 2007
    10,360
    Mid-Merlind
    I hated them before it was cool. Puts the scope way too high. I prefer cheekweld to chinweld.
    Agreed.

    I just can't see it. :shrug:

    If the scope is mounted correctly and not of too great a magnification, a scope is FASTER than irons. If a person thinks they need a stilted up see-through mount to solve this problem are simply making it worse and literally forcing themselves to the iron sights.

    If the weather is bad, don't open the scope caps until ready to shoot. If you don't have caps, get some. No one stares at terrain over their iron sights and we normally don't even look at them until ready to shoot. Why would a scope be any different? If the caps are closed, or the scope is in shooting position, water/snow/mist very seldom hits the lenses at all, let alone accumulates enough to prevent a shot. If the scope is being forced into use as an observation tool and constantly exposed, the solution is a compact binocular, not crazy-high mounts.

    If the scope is considered undependable and irons are a backup, the scope has no business hunting with you and see through mounts are not the answer. Get a modern, reliable scope. If irons are a backup on a dangerous game rifle, or other rifle that must work, no matter what, then a quick detachable scope is a far better choice.

    Extremely close shots can be an issue, but shots at this range are easily executed with both eyes open, which provides a panaormaic field of view with the crosshair position visible on target. If close shots are anticipated, such as shotgun slug country, a very low power scope is the answer, not jacking the scope up to some insane position. I have a 2-7x on my own slug gun, and a 1-4x on my 10/22 rabbit gun. Both are correctly fitted and the crosshair not only appears in front of my eye when I shoulder the gun, but the very low magnification does not obstruct vision in any way.

    With my eye on the target, when I shoulder the rifle, a crosshair apprears on target, in front of my eye. If your own rifle does not do this, your setup doesn't fit, and it's likely the scope it too high and/or the comb is too low.

    If the inside of the scope lenses fog, it's broken and should be returned for service. If the outside fogs, stop breathing on it and/or keep the temperature transitions to a minimum.

    Micro-fiber lens cloths are a dime a dozen and most come in a little pouch that will snap to a zipper pull. No need to not have an expedient way to quickly clear a little fog or water.

    Most scope acquisition problems stem from improper fit and/or improper mounting, a see through mount makes both issues worse. Too much magnification for the job is another common problem that prevent effective scope use, but that is simply judgement error.

    To each his own, of course. I just hate to see someone trying to solve the wrong problem or make things worse than they have to be.

    Many people resist and/or don't trust scopes because they have to hunt for the image when they shoulder the rifle, especially old-timers. They think irons are faster because they are quicker to acquire. Well, if the stock is designed for iron sights and a scope is mounted too high, as with the see-throughs, of course irons will be quicker and easier to use.

    The difference between a properly fitted rifle and the typical abomination most folks seem to think they have to tolerate is like night and day. Many peopel can force a shooting position and make a few shots with mediocre precision, but they will reach a plateau in their ability. For best speed and accuracy, a low mounted scope with a correct comb height to put the shooter's eye in the right place is the answer.
     

    browning guy

    SCRUFFY NERF HERDER
    Dec 10, 2009
    8,525
    Essex
    Agreed.

    I just can't see it. :shrug:

    If the scope is mounted correctly and not of too great a magnification, a scope is FASTER than irons. If a person thinks they need a stilted up see-through mount to solve this problem are simply making it worse and literally forcing themselves to the iron sights.

    If the weather is bad, don't open the scope caps until ready to shoot. If you don't have caps, get some. No one stares at terrain over their iron sights and we normally don't even look at them until ready to shoot. Why would a scope be any different? If the caps are closed, or the scope is in shooting position, water/snow/mist very seldom hits the lenses at all, let alone accumulates enough to prevent a shot. If the scope is being forced into use as an observation tool and constantly exposed, the solution is a compact binocular, not crazy-high mounts.

    If the scope is considered undependable and irons are a backup, the scope has no business hunting with you and see through mounts are not the answer. Get a modern, reliable scope. If irons are a backup on a dangerous game rifle, or other rifle that must work, no matter what, then a quick detachable scope is a far better choice.

    Extremely close shots can be an issue, but shots at this range are easily executed with both eyes open, which provides a panaormaic field of view with the crosshair position visible on target. If close shots are anticipated, such as shotgun slug country, a very low power scope is the answer, not jacking the scope up to some insane position. I have a 2-7x on my own slug gun, and a 1-4x on my 10/22 rabbit gun. Both are correctly fitted and the crosshair not only appears in front of my eye when I shoulder the gun, but the very low magnification does not obstruct vision in any way.

    With my eye on the target, when I shoulder the rifle, a crosshair apprears on target, in front of my eye. If your own rifle does not do this, your setup doesn't fit, and it's likely the scope it too high and/or the comb is too low.

    If the inside of the scope lenses fog, it's broken and should be returned for service. If the outside fogs, stop breathing on it and/or keep the temperature transitions to a minimum.

    Micro-fiber lens cloths are a dime a dozen and most come in a little pouch that will snap to a zipper pull. No need to not have an expedient way to quickly clear a little fog or water.

    Most scope acquisition problems stem from improper fit and/or improper mounting, a see through mount makes both issues worse. Too much magnification for the job is another common problem that prevent effective scope use, but that is simply judgement error.

    To each his own, of course. I just hate to see someone trying to solve the wrong problem or make things worse than they have to be.

    Many people resist and/or don't trust scopes because they have to hunt for the image when they shoulder the rifle, especially old-timers. They think irons are faster because they are quicker to acquire. Well, if the stock is designed for iron sights and a scope is mounted too high, as with the see-throughs, of course irons will be quicker and easier to use.

    The difference between a properly fitted rifle and the typical abomination most folks seem to think they have to tolerate is like night and day. Many peopel can force a shooting position and make a few shots with mediocre precision, but they will reach a plateau in their ability. For best speed and accuracy, a low mounted scope with a correct comb height to put the shooter's eye in the right place is the answer.

    Thank you Ed!
    great write up, as always!!

    I want to spend a few days with you and really learn to use my boom stick!:thumbsup:
     

    Russ D

    Ultimate Member
    Nov 10, 2008
    12,056
    Sykesville
    If I needed a scope I'd run a 1 to 4x and put nice low mounts and learn to shoot with both eyes open at 1x. If you need 4x u have time to dial it up.
     

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