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Old October 19th, 2012, 08:03 PM   #1
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C96 Mauser Broomhandle "Red 9"

I'm cruising GB and came across a Red 9 Broomhandle currently @ $655..checked old sales and there was only one other that sold recently (in much better shape) for $705.
Neither had the shoulder stock/holster.
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Is there a limitation on commercial 9mm for these guns?
How easy is it to find aftermarket parts (shoulder stock, stripper clips, leather holster, etc.)?
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Old October 19th, 2012, 08:05 PM   #2
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They come available occasionally. The majority are bored out 7.65 guns, a real red nine will run between 1500 and 2100. They are scarce contract guns.
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Old October 19th, 2012, 08:08 PM   #3
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Oh and while the general story on that one is ok and if true is fairly valuable, lots of fakes out there check the serial numbers carefully.
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Old October 19th, 2012, 08:13 PM   #4
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Most of the new made holsters are pretty crappy and originals are pricey . If you want a stock for it you will need a original to stay with in c&r regulations . Adding a after market/new production puts you in AOW land . A original will cost you more then the gun . Stripper clips are pretty easy to come by but wether or not they will work correctly is 50/50.


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Old October 19th, 2012, 09:01 PM   #5
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Thanks for the replies. I was wondering about the price. Fakes didn't even cross my mind.
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Old October 19th, 2012, 10:33 PM   #6
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Oh and while the general story on that one is ok and if true is fairly valuable, lots of fakes out there check the serial numbers carefully.
In agreement with Jimbob ^^^.

True bonafide Red 9's were made in Germany from 1916 to 1918. The serial # range I don't remember but the Blue Book has the serial number ranges of each of the three years mentioned above. An all matching Red 9 in 85% ORIGINAL condition will easily fetch $2K+, this is without shoulder stock or leather. With correct but mismatched SS and L add another several hundred $$$. Completely matching and correct rig (all original and 85% condition) will easily fetch $3,500.00.

My guess is the stuff you're looking at must be very rough and/or not original Red 9's at the prices you stated around the $700.00ish range. Possibly Chinese copies would be my guess.


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Old October 20th, 2012, 04:23 PM   #7
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A good friend's father had one. He aquired it personally from a dead SS ofc, so it was probably authentic.
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Old October 21st, 2012, 10:11 PM   #8
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...went back and checked the ser no. and it was in the 120K range which made me lose interest - I didn't have the $1100-1200 it would probably take to buy it...the gun sold for $1050.
I'm looking for a nice K31 instead.
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Old October 21st, 2012, 10:37 PM   #9
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It might have been worth a chance as the serial numbers on red 9s were 0 to 150,000 but they were independently done as a separate lot so it would be easy to find serial 0 to 150,000 broomhandle bore it out and sell it as a red 9.

Not sure about their story, I know that the neutering part to accomodate the postware treaty on the sight and barrel lenght is correct, not sure about the caliber. Also not sure how that affects value, as most collectors whan the original configuration. If it had had the prussian stamps still on it would have been worth considering.

Military ''Red 9'' pistols had a separate serial number range (1-150000) and were manufactured between 1916 and 1918.
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Military ''Red 9'' pistols had a separate serial number range (1-150000) and were manufactured between 1916 and 1918.
This one was advertised as "Model of 1920" with the year stamped on the frame/barrel by the ejection port...??? So, it is a bored out 7.65? does this mean its a 'fake'?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=310311337

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This one was advertised as "Model of 1920" with the year stamped on the frame/barrel by the ejection port...??? So, it is a bored out 7.65? does this mean its a 'fake'?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=310311337
I am not sure, it may have been a real rework. I dont know as much about them at that point. I know most of the 1920s reworks I have seen have been 7.65.
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Old October 22nd, 2012, 04:45 PM   #12
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This one was advertised as "Model of 1920" with the year stamped on the frame/barrel by the ejection port...??? So, it is a bored out 7.65? does this mean its a 'fake'?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=310311337
That's an interesting C-96. It looks like a "Bolo" model.

As to the 1920 stamp, if legit, generally means that it was a German military property stamp. IIRC, it had something to do with the Treaty of Versailles.

Most "Red 9s" had the same adjustable sight that the regular C-96s had, except that the "Red 9" only went up to 450 or 500 meters. The 7.65 version had a longer range sight, perhaps going up to around 1000 meters. Sorry I can't be more exact, I'm doing this from memory.

If you decide to get one and shoot it, I recommend shooting 115 gr FMJ out of it. Depending on the condition of the piece as well, I might recommend putting new springs in, too.


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Old October 23rd, 2012, 03:12 PM   #13
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Thank you for the replies. There is so much to learn about these classic old vets, but I'm still buying as many as my wallet (aka. Wifey) will allow before they are gone.
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