Old August 26th, 2012, 10:06 PM #1
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30/30 black powder loads

Got a crazy idea

I am thinking of using black powder to push a cast .308 bullet out of a single shot 30/30 rifle.

Any thoughts?
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Old August 26th, 2012, 10:32 PM #2
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Why not buy the Trapdoor Springfield in the classifieds, and shoot some black powder .45-70 loads?
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Since the .30-30 was one of the early smokless powder cartridges I'll bet it was loaded with BP often in its early days. They even used the BP convention of using the caliber and load data as the name but they ment 30 grains of smokless rather than 30 grains of BP. Today with so many different smokeless powders you would also have to add which powder you were talking about. Where do you find load data?

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.30-30 is actually a sort of nickname. I don't think anyone really knows how or where is got mis-named that way. Apparently Bubba was used to that sort of double-barreled black powder style name, and decided to re-name the new .30 WCF.

The correct name is .30 Winchester Center Fire, or .30 WCF. Bubba might have reloaded it with black powder. Bubba might have reloaded it with powder from the stub-ends of old highway flares. There's no knowing what Bubba will do.

I can't see any harm in loading some black powder, especially in an easy-to-clean single shot rifle. It should be lots of fun, good and smokey, and a real attention-getter.
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Try 30grns. Black powder works best semi compressed so fill the case untill the bullet is touching it.
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30 grains of smokeless powder (nitrocellulose propellant) is not equivalent to 30 grains of black powder. The "30" refers to a charge of smokeless that produces the same pressure as 30 grains of black powder, and is much less weight and volume.
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I like trail boss in my 30/30 loads. lot cleaner then black powder.
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sounds like fun.
Let me know if you need brass, I have a few extra laying around.
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30 grains of smokeless powder (nitrocellulose propellant) is not equivalent to 30 grains of black powder. The "30" refers to a charge of smokeless that produces the same pressure as 30 grains of black powder, and is much less weight and volume.


I believe the "30" refers to absolutely nothing. Like I said, it's a nickname that some old Fudds started using back when the round first came out, in 1895 (Winchester had problems loading consistent powder charges at first, so the first .30 WCF ammo wasn't out until '95).

30 grains sounds like a VERY light load in a .30 WCF.
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Good luck getting enough in the case.

I tried this once with a .303 British. I wanted to mimic the old 220 Gr B/P loads used to fight off Fuzzy-Wuzzies & relieve Mafeking. I loaded the case ram-jam full of B/P, tapped it down & added more, then I crush fitted the 215 Gr roundnose to compress the charge. IIRC the original load was a compressed solid pellet with 47 Gr of powder I think I got maybe 37.

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I had always heard that the first # referred to caliber, the second # to the weight of the black powder charge and the third #, if there was one, referred to the weight of the bullet.
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I believe the "30" refers to absolutely nothing. Like I said, it's a nickname that some old Fudds started using back when the round first came out, in 1895 (Winchester had problems loading consistent powder charges at first, so the first .30 WCF ammo wasn't out until '95).

30 grains sounds like a VERY light load in a .30 WCF.
According to Cartridges of the World 12th edition in the .30-30 or .30 WCF the second 30 refered to 30 grains of smokless powder.

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Standard Nomenclature of the time
Caliber, Powder, Bullet weight.
I would think 30 grains of BP would be a very light load?
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It looks like the nickname was started by Marlin to avoid giving Winchester free advertising.
It looks like it has more to do with marketing than whether the powder charge was 28.3 grains or 31.4 grains of an unknown smokeless propellant.
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