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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:03 PM   #1
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Rights for Felons?

So you think there are no stupid questions? I may have one...

Can a person who is a convicted felon borrow/rent a firearm at a range or private club?

It seems to me that a convicted felon cannot touch a firearm under any conditions, but I just wanted to verify it.


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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:50 PM   #2
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Mere possession of a firearm by a convicted felon is against the law. Now, is shooting someone else's firearm while they are present (same goes for using a range weapon at the range) constitute possession?
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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:52 PM   #3
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they are still holding said firearm so id imagine so...
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Old July 17th, 2012, 11:54 PM   #4
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So you think there are no stupid questions? I may have one...

Can a person who is a convicted felon borrow/rent a firearm at a range or private club?

It seems to me that a convicted felon cannot touch a firearm under any conditions, but I just wanted to verify it.
youre right. he'll get thrown in jail if he tries


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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:07 AM   #5
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No, no Bang Bang for the felon.


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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:09 AM   #6
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No, no Bang Bang for the felon.
Yep, gave up that right when they did something worthy of a felony conviction.
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But, how come those guys with super long rap sheets and multiple weapons convictions don't automatically go to jail?


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Old July 18th, 2012, 12:37 AM   #8
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Now, is shooting someone else's firearm while they are present (same goes for using a range weapon at the range) constitute possession?
This is probably the crux of my question.


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I guess super star quarterback Mike Vick won't be shooting with me any time soon.


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I have never "rented" a gun at a range before. Do they do background checks to see if you are legally allowed to handle the gun?


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Old July 18th, 2012, 08:57 AM   #11
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I have never "rented" a gun at a range before. Do they do background checks to see if you are legally allowed to handle the gun?
the range i go to.. they make you fill out a form and hold your dl/id.. dont know about doing a quick background checks.


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Wow! So the majority of states have either no photo ID or no ID at all. Seems like little chance for voter fraud there! Just what any good Democrat would want-----votes for everybody!!

This chart alone makes a good case for a simple point--all eligible voters should vote, but only eligible voters; once eligibility is established, voter ID needs to be established to make the vote valid. It's not rocket science and the politicians that fight against voter ID do so only because of the number of fraudulent votes they're afraid they'll lose. Racism is just a red herring......

BTW, great photo--I'm rooting for the dog!


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Old July 18th, 2012, 09:22 AM   #13
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Yeah, just about every gun range in Maryland I have been to thus far, I think 3 has had some sort of paperwork declaring you are not a felon, including writting down your drivers liselcrnse number.

Do indoor ranges send this paperwork to police to look over?
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Yeah, just about every gun range in Maryland I have been to thus far, I think 3 has had some sort of paperwork declaring you are not a felon, including writting down your drivers liselcrnse number.

Do indoor ranges send this paperwork to police to look over?
Doubt it, but even if they do, don't think any of the LEO agencies have the resources to see if felons go to gun ranges. It would be more practical to know if they actually get possession/ownership of guns out on the streets.


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Yep, gave up that right when they got convicted of a felony.
Fixed it for you. Big difference between doing something illegal and getting convicted of it.


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Old July 18th, 2012, 08:38 PM   #16
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Not up to date. PA has a Voter ID law...goes into effect this year.


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Old July 18th, 2012, 10:50 PM   #17
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Doubt it, but even if they do, don't think any of the LEO agencies have the resources to see if felons go to gun ranges. It would be more practical to know if they actually get possession/ownership of guns out on the streets.
Do not possess means do not possess.

I'll leave it at that.


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Do not possess means do not possess.

I'll leave it at that.
I have looked up the meaning of the word possess in a few different dictionaries. The main meaning seems to be "to have as one's property; own."

The only place I see reference to just "have" or "hold" is when a Thesaurus is involved.


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I have looked up the meaning of the word possess in a few different dictionaries. The main meaning seems to be "to have as one's property; own."

The only place I see reference to just "have" or "hold" is when a Thesaurus is involved.
Not sure who you will summons from Webster to help in your legal case.

To have in your possession does not mean, in the legal sense, to own.


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Old July 19th, 2012, 01:11 PM   #20
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Here's what the law doesn't say possess...it says "receive":

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18 USC ss 922 (g) It shall be unlawful for any person -
(1) who has been convicted in any court of, a crime punishable
by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;

(2) who is a fugitive from justice;
(3) who is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled
substance (as defined in section 102 of the Controlled Substances
Act (21 U.S.C. 802));
(4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has
been committed to a mental institution;
(5) who, being an alien -
(A) is illegally or unlawfully in the United States; or
(B) except as provided in subsection (y)(2), has been
admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa (as
that term is defined in section 101(a)(26) of the Immigration
and Nationality Act (8 U.S.C. 1101(a)(26)));
(6) who has been discharged from the Armed Forces under
dishonorable conditions;
(7) who, having been a citizen of the United States, has
renounced his citizenship;
(8) who is subject to a court order that -
(A) was issued after a hearing of which such person received
actual notice, and at which such person had an opportunity to
participate;
(B) restrains such person from harassing, stalking, or
threatening an intimate partner of such person or child of such
intimate partner or person, or engaging in other conduct that
would place an intimate partner in reasonable fear of bodily
injury to the partner or child; and
(C)(i) includes a finding that such person represents a
credible threat to the physical safety of such intimate partner
or child; or
(ii) by its terms explicitly prohibits the use, attempted
use, or threatened use of physical force against such intimate
partner or child that would reasonably be expected to cause
bodily injury; or
(9) who has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime
of domestic violence,
to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess
in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive
any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in
interstate or foreign commerce
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