PERMIT APPLICATION RETURNED

richkeller · April 12th, 2012, 11:31 AM

Well, now I know how MSP is going to handle the applications that have been submitted for handgun permits.

I just got my application returned in the mail with an form letter stating I did not have a "good and substantial reason" to be issued a permit to wear, carry, or transport a handgun.

If this works, here is a scan of the letter.

http://www.box.com/s/92306766413790660714

Zombie_013 · April 12th, 2012, 11:33 AM

sorry - we will all share the same fate.

Hotrod Diesel · April 12th, 2012, 11:35 AM

When did you apply? Sounds like it was because you were after the "stay"?

3...2...1... commence thread to blow up.

Inigoes · April 12th, 2012, 11:35 AM

Did they return your check?

teratos · April 12th, 2012, 11:36 AM

Hmmm....I thought they said they were going to sit on them. This will certainly skew their "97% approval rate", won't it?

Maverick0313 · April 12th, 2012, 11:36 AM

B U M M E R. Would seem if they knew this going in they would not have bothered with the rest of the process.

Mooseman · April 12th, 2012, 11:37 AM

Total B.S. but not a big surprise. I guess the only surprise is that the are returning the money.

richkeller · April 12th, 2012, 11:37 AM

My check was returned as well.

My app was submitted 4/6/12, AFTER the stay was in place. I wonder how they are going to process the apps received prior to that? Denied on the G&S reasoning? Refund their app fee and offer them the same consideration? Table the apps pending the appeal?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Boondock Saint · April 12th, 2012, 11:37 AM

Returning but not denying. Submitted after the stay, too. Very interesting, MSP...very interesting indeed.

Thanks for letting us know.

teratos · April 12th, 2012, 11:38 AM

Might want to contact Del. Smigiel. I think he wanted to know about these things.

Since they returned your check it will not go against their approval rate since they never looked at it......I guess that is how it works.

CPT Ethanolic · April 12th, 2012, 11:38 AM

This is why I've never even applied for an MD carry permit. It seems like I'd just be giving them some free $$.

montoya32 · April 12th, 2012, 11:38 AM

Is this different that what they previously did? I thought they would usually take your money and deny you. I would definitely send a copy of the letter to Smigel.

JDove · April 12th, 2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richkeller

Well, now I know how MSP is going to handle the applications that have been submitted for handgun permits.

I just got my application returned in the mail with an form letter stating I did not have a "good and substantial reason" to be issued a permit to wear, carry, or transport a handgun.

If this works, here is a scan of the letter.

http://www.box.com/s/92306766413790660714

Well at least they returned your money.

Mooseman · April 12th, 2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teratos

Hmmm....I thought they said they were going to sit on them. This will certainly skew their "97% approval rate", won't it?

I don't think so. The application was not disapproved, it was simply returned. This is probably why they are handling applications like this. Their record will stand.

aquaman · April 12th, 2012, 11:39 AM

Make sure the legal eagles at MSI see this , Im pretty sure they asked to be updated

CPT Ethanolic · April 12th, 2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by richkeller

My check was returned as well.

My app was submitted 4/6/12, AFTER the stay was in place. I wonder how they are going to process the apps received prior to that? Denied on the G&S reasoning? Refund their app fee and offer them the same consideration? Table the apps pending the appeal?

I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

Doesn't it say on the application that the fee is non-refundable, regardless of decision?

teratos · April 12th, 2012, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CPT Ethanolic

Doesn't it say on the application that the fee is non-refundable, regardless of decision?

They never made a decision. They decided they didn't even need to go that far.

Buff7mm · April 12th, 2012, 11:43 AM

I would for sure forward a copy of the letter to MSI and Delegate Smigel.

CPT Ethanolic · April 12th, 2012, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teratos

They never made a decision. They decided they didn't even need to go that far.

I have never seen the state of MD pass up any opportunity to take a person's money. This is shocking.

Inigoes · April 12th, 2012, 11:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by teratos

Might want to contact Del. Smigiel. I think he wanted to know about these things.

Since they returned your check it will not go against their approval rate since they never looked at it......I guess that is how it works.

This!

His email is delegatemikesmigiel@gmail.com

April 12th, 2012, 11:31 AM	#1
richkeller Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Allegany County, MD Posts: 55	PERMIT APPLICATION RETURNED Well, now I know how MSP is going to handle the applications that have been submitted for handgun permits. I just got my application returned in the mail with an form letter stating I did not have a "good and substantial reason" to be issued a permit to wear, carry, or transport a handgun. If this works, here is a scan of the letter. http://www.box.com/s/92306766413790660714

April 12th, 2012, 11:35 AM	#4
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April 12th, 2012, 11:36 AM	#5
teratos My hair is AMAZING Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bel Air Posts: 11,538	Hmmm....I thought they said they were going to sit on them. This will certainly skew their "97% approval rate", won't it? __________________ MSI Board Member SAF Defender's Club NRA Life Member C&R FFL MD Designated Collector hvymax when describing the town hall meeting on SB281: We are factually sodomizing them. Not that they care. TAKE BACK MARYLAND

April 12th, 2012, 11:36 AM	#6
Maverick0313 Don't ask won't tell Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Columbia, MD Posts: 6,581	B U M M E R. Would seem if they knew this going in they would not have bothered with the rest of the process. __________________ NRA Benefactor Member MSI (Exec)//SAF Life Maryland Designated Collector Utah//Florida//Virginia CCP Retired Military Intelligence Professional; still active

April 12th, 2012, 11:38 AM	#10
teratos My hair is AMAZING Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bel Air Posts: 11,538	Might want to contact Del. Smigiel. I think he wanted to know about these things. Since they returned your check it will not go against their approval rate since they never looked at it......I guess that is how it works. __________________ MSI Board Member SAF Defender's Club NRA Life Member C&R FFL MD Designated Collector hvymax when describing the town hall meeting on SB281: We are factually sodomizing them. Not that they care. TAKE BACK MARYLAND

April 12th, 2012, 11:33 AM	#2
Zombie_013 Banned Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Germantown, MD Posts: 1,889	sorry - we will all share the same fate.

April 12th, 2012, 11:35 AM	#3
Hotrod Diesel Here for the Beer... Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Parkville Posts: 1,042	When did you apply? Sounds like it was because you were after the "stay"? 3...2...1... commence thread to blow up.

April 12th, 2012, 11:37 AM	#7
Mooseman Hooligan #4 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Western Maryland Posts: 7,751	Total B.S. but not a big surprise. I guess the only surprise is that the are returning the money.

April 12th, 2012, 11:37 AM	#9
Boondock Saint MSI Executive Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: White Marsh Posts: 12,458	Returning but not denying. Submitted after the stay, too. Very interesting, MSP...very interesting indeed. Thanks for letting us know.

April 12th, 2012, 11:38 AM	#11
CPT Ethanolic Gun Packing Liberal Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Just on the border of freedom. Posts: 176	This is why I've never even applied for an MD carry permit. It seems like I'd just be giving them some free $$.

April 12th, 2012, 11:38 AM	#12
montoya32 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Fallston, MD Posts: 3,761 Images: 13	Is this different that what they previously did? I thought they would usually take your money and deny you. I would definitely send a copy of the letter to Smigel. __________________ Tim Montoya Long & Foster Real Estate, Inc 443-463-3592 cell www.themarylandrealestateblog.com www.allhomes4me.com www.whatsupharford.com

April 12th, 2012, 11:39 AM	#15
aquaman Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Fairfax Co, VA Posts: 4,662	Make sure the legal eagles at MSI see this , Im pretty sure they asked to be updated

April 12th, 2012, 11:43 AM	#18
Buff7mm Hooligan #2 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Garrett County Posts: 4,535	I would for sure forward a copy of the letter to MSI and Delegate Smigel. __________________ 03 FFL Maryland Designated Collector U.S. ARMY VETERAN “The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose.” James Earl Jones

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