is a romanian ak in .22lr non-regulated?

[Markp]

Originally Posted by erwos

I was under the impression that the .22lr Romanian AKs did, in fact, use a different action than normal AKs, and that you couldn't just stuff an AK-47/74 bolt in there and have a centerfire gun. Thus, you wouldn't have the complete parts compatibility that the bulletin specifies (quote the whole thing, Mark!).

Define action... That's the problem. You see they regulated ALL AK actions, not just centerfire... ANY semi-auto AK action.

Think of it this way... take the Remington 40-x, which came in both centerfire and rimfire variants as far as I know. This is where the law is problematic. If all Remington 40-x bolt action rifles were regulated then both centerfire and rimfire versions would be covered.

Anyway, good luck to the OP, my opinion means absolutely zero... I'm not a lawyer.

[mikec]

Again, MD's poorly written laws. Clear as mud.

[Ab_Normal]

Originally Posted by Markp

Nope, regulated. Sorry!

(27) Avtomat Kalashnikov semiautomatic rifle in any format

Nor is this a "sporter" variant.

Clearly it's far too dangerous.

Disagree. The Avtomat Kalashnikov rifle is a rotating bolt long stroke gas operated system. Only if the .22 operates from the same principles would it be a copy or 'any format'.

YMMV

[gmhowell]

Originally Posted by Ab_Normal

Disagree. The Avtomat Kalashnikov rifle is a rotating bolt long stroke gas operated system. Only if the .22 operates from the same principles would it be a copy or 'any format'.

YMMV

Is that how the law defines it, or is that how a person learned in the arts and sciences of weaponry would define it? You know the latter doesn't hold a lot of sway in a courtroom, right?

[Ab_Normal]

Originally Posted by gmhowell

Is that how the law defines it, or is that how a person learned in the arts and sciences of weaponry would define it? You know the latter doesn't hold a lot of sway in a courtroom, right?

The law doesn't define it. But the AG and the implementing agency (MSP) of the law have clarifed it:

Conclusion
For the reasons set forth above, it is our opinion that the
reference to “copies” in PS §5-101(p)(2) does not extend the
regulated firearms law to weapons that bear a mere cosmetic
similarity to a listed weapon. Rather, in order for a firearm to be
considered a copy of a listed assault weapon, and therefore governed
by the regulated firearms law, there must be a similarity between the
internal components and function of the firearm in question and
those of one of the listed weapons. A determination as to whether
a particular firearm bears such similarity is a factual question
entrusted in the first instance to the Department of State Police.
Douglas F. Gansler

Therefore, the Maryland State Police Firearms Registration Section will no longer require an individual to complete an Application to Purchase a Regulated Firearm (MSP 77R-1,77R-2,77R-3) for a semiautomatic .22 caliber rim fire rifle that is only cosmetically similar to an assault weapon.

[Markp]

Originally Posted by Ab_Normal

Disagree. The Avtomat Kalashnikov rifle is a rotating bolt long stroke gas operated system. Only if the .22 operates from the same principles would it be a copy or 'any format'.

YMMV

I stand corrected... without the rotating bolt, I agree, it is not an AK action. I know this is how the GSG works. I don't know about the M10, pictures seem to suggest it's an AK action. If it's not, I apologize for getting it wrong.

[erwos]

Yep, now you get it. It's a straight blowback action that really has nothing to do with the traditional AK action.

[Markp]

Originally Posted by erwos

Yep, now you get it. It's a straight blowback action that really has nothing to do with the traditional AK action.

LOL, why didn't you just say that in the first place!!!

[erwos]

Originally Posted by Markp

LOL, why didn't you just say that in the first place!!!

I was shocked you didn't know!!!

Now, if someone were to come up with a AR-15 lower that didn't use all standard parts, we could have non-regulated carbine AR-15s again... hmm... properietary selector, maybe?

[Ab_Normal]

Originally Posted by Markp

I stand corrected... without the rotating bolt, I agree, it is not an AK action. I know this is how the GSG works. I don't know about the M10, pictures seem to suggest it's an AK action. If it's not, I apologize for getting it wrong.

I'm not saying who's right but I think a strong argument could be made for NOT being a copy. That is probably a somewhat moot point though depending on who picks up the phone at the MSP. Anybody have a coin...

[UserIdNotValid]

There non regulated. At least the one I bought a month ago was.

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[Lou45]

WOW...I went to a concert last night and missed this.

Yep, the .22LR version is NON-regulated. Have sold .22LR versions of AK's over the years as NON-regulated. It started to get sticky about 2 or 3 years ago when MSP wanted to include the GSG .22LR MP5 lookalike on THE list. After the AG's determination about a year ago, it clearly resulted in the .22LR so-called copies or clones were indeed, not copies or clones of the centerfire evil rifles that are on the list. So it's non-reg.